Who has authority?

[Ron Musgraves]

Commercial...thats another story

Carlos, its even easier on commercial. Code requires them to build the proper storage, perculation and evap onsite. CWA

[Ron Musgraves]

Originally Posted by MMI Enterprises

Info please on the 1984 thingy.
Would like to know what situations call for places to have onsight sumps. As talked about before I assume all the Walmart places are setup now but what about all these suburbia strip mall places that happen to sometimes have places like walmart or the food places set out in parking lot? Seems like they storm drains that head straight to canals at first glance.

Could you imagine if the parking lot of a walmart went to a canal????? what a mess our eviroment would be, thanks gooodness for the CWA.

Walmart got sited for not building these types of systems, look on the net or this BBS. I think the tittle goes walmart busted for off property discharge.

1984 is a complience for building code in major citys. By around 1996 its was manditory in all places accross the US.

The whole CWA is a good thing but its not ment to be impractical.

As far as the building codes that require this? check with your local, I'm certain they will know if you talk with and engineer.

[Ron Musgraves]

In arizona we have them all over being installed and being built. i will try to video some of these and then you will understand what they are.

[Ron Musgraves]

Kevin, just call me.... I can explain it on the phone much easier..

[Ron Musgraves]

http://www.epa.gov/waterscience/meth...es/pumpkin.pdf

Thats a great link

Policy implications of GIS technology for the 1994 clean water act amendments

[MMI Enterprises]

Yea I've seen and read the stories before about Walmart that why I agree and assume they all setup now...but where and how to tell if a place is setup as such?.. Isn't most of the system underground and unseen? Where I am talking about it hard to tell is when you have all these diconnected strip places all in one common parking lot. There are drains and then there are gutters. Gutters seem to curve around and on out to street storms. It's either that or the whole darn areas are now sumped even on street far as I can figure. Places like gas stations and carwashes it is easy to see them when surrounded with them skinny vent like drains that obviously go to a sump. What they filled with gravel or such? They are not the norm and there are newer gas places all over without. I've yet to see guys doing them at night doing a recovery.

[Ron Musgraves]

No parking lot is reaching US waters if built correct. could you imagine the mess. How much oil in a walmart parking lot?

[Doug Dahlke]

Thanks for all the responses so far. My question is aimed at commercial flatwork where disposal to land is not an option. I don't understand why it seems so diificult to get someone in authority to say go ahead and dispose of this washwater to sanitary sewer.

Thousands of homes and businesses are hooked up to these systems. Wash water from laundry goes there with bleach and other chemicals in it. Some guy gives his car an oil change and washes his hands and oil is going in it. Even some toothpaste has sodium hydroxide in it and that gets spit into the sink by thousands of people every day. I am sure other chemicals are getting dumped everyday in small quantities that really don't belong in the sewer either. Obviously these systems can handle some chemical coming to them.

If concrete at a shopping center is being washed with only hot water and that water is filtered before going to sanitary what are the odds that this could be a problem? What is the worst thing that could be on there, bird doo doo and some spilled coffee or food? Even if you pick up a little grease how much grease goes down the drain everyday in peoples homes?

[Ron Musgraves]

service stations have the type that require heavier maint. They get clean more frequently. Look they all have them and the water remain onsite.

[Ron Musgraves]

Then keep that test result with you. If you get checked by anyone, you can show the test and use it as a representaion of what you expect is going down that system. If your current job seems much different from your represented test, then it's a good idea to have it tested again.

This is a common practice in the industry, the only difference is that people normally testing the water for themselves are PE's with major corporations behind them. These people also understand that falsifying records would result in criminal prosecution. ( these also have has mat training and are certified by the EPA)

Tracy, I like you and i like Pete. I can no longer allow wrong info about reclaimation on the net for people to run out and purchase equipemnt to monitor themself and cross contaminate propertys.

I wish i could police myself next time i get a speeding ticket.

If you want to talk reclaimation. Let!!!

monitoring
calibration
disposal
hauling

Where do we stop and when can we get the answers.

If your telling me to dump into a sanitary system thats already the worst in the country then i'm sorry. Thats a problem too, direct me to the goverment nuckle heads that approved that. With one letter we can stop that from happening.

Whats funny is they dont even realize that its worng.

[John Doherty]

Doug, Try here.

waterandsewer

[PWNC]

I know this thread is about disposal but this link addresses reclamation & reuse of reclaimed water for the state of NC in case folks are interested in using it rather than "fresh".

Reclaimed Water Info

[Tracy Handl]

Ron,
No mis-info trying to be given here. If you re-read what I said, I never mention doing self-testing, and I credited our local dept of sewer and water as my info source. I am sure you are correct about your area as well as many others. There certainly may be different requirements for different areas but accourding to our areas officials, if you have your water tested by their dept, (which I may not have made clear) then they would be more willing to see that as a resonable represention of what you are handling when they are checking you. They still hold you, and the property owner, responsible for what is ACTUALLY being put down any drain or discharged in anyway. Since I was a part of helping our county set-up these "guidelines", I speak with the best of my abilities from that standpoint . The topic of calling it washwater or waste water even came up at that time and Cujo pointed out that we are NOT really dealing with haz-mat waste. The county agreed and was willing to use the terminology of wash water so as not to infer a haz-mat denotion. So again, in our area, the re-claimed wash water can be put down a sewer system if that water meets the acceptable specs. The contractor, as well as the property owner bear the responsibility for knowing those specs. and each will have consequences when that wash water is found to have exceeded those specs. Of course a hiring agent may dictate how the wash water is disposed of and a contractor would then have to comply if he wanted the job. I know Doug, and he is in our area so I replied to this thread based on his questions and based on my understanding of our areas requirments. Sorry if that is not the same for all areas. Best advice I can give is check with your local ares for their specific requirements as to what is acceptable when discharging your wash water.

[washum]

Well said Mr. Handi.

[Ron Musgraves]

for anyone to imply its not hazordous is and incorrect and false statement. the definition of hazordous material is any unknown. (period)

oh, if you say cujo said its not? why are we reclaiming?

im sorry trace, I know this is incorrect and these citys are being lead down the incorrect path. as well as contractors.

this last miss information that wally world was made to believe was right cost contractors and them money.

reclaimation and diversion is often a tool in cleaning but is not a need in most instances.

again, no one talked about decon and calibration.

in any process that's credited this will come into play.

pretreatment will also be involved.