EPA Region 6 MS4 conference

[Beth n Rod]

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Beth

[Beth n Rod]

I am preparing a seminar for EPA Region 6 Regulators on the effect of “Cosmetic Cleaning Ordinances & Regulations” on Storm Sewer Water. If anyone knows of any contact information of Regulators in your area please forward the contact information to Robert Hinderliter at robert@dcs1.com. The following letter will be forwarded to then in order for their results to be included in the study.

For you efforts I will sent you a copy of the study.

Thanks for your help, Robert Hinderliter
__________________________________________________ ____


2513 Warfield Street
Fort Worth, Texas 76106
Ph: 817-625-4213, 800-433-2113; fax 817-625-2059
website: Delco Cleaning Systems of Fort Worth, Pressure Power Washers email: robert@dcs1.com

May 2, 2008

Mr. XXXX XXXXXXX
Senior Environmental Engineer
Public Works Department
XXXXX, XX XXXXX

Re: Open Records Request for EPA Region 6 MS4 Conference

Dear Mr. XXX:

I am preparing the following Presentation for the upcoming 10th Annual EPA Region 6 MS4 Operators Conference July 14 – 17, 2008 in Waco, Texas, NPDES Storm Water Program | Water Quality Protection Division | U.S. EPA Region 6 .

“MS4 Ordinances for Cosmetic Cleaning

BMPs & Regulations for
Mobile Power Wash Cosmetic Cleaning

We will explain the Cosmetic Cleaning Ordinances of Houston, San Antonio, Fort Worth, Oklahoma City, BASMAA (Bay Area Stormwater Management Agencies Association). Some of these ordinances have been in affect for over 12 years and their impact on the MS4s will be presented. Models for Ordinances, Contractor Training & Certification, and BMPS will be demonstrated along with the model ordinance on the EPA’s website at EPA > Model Ordinances to Protect Local Resources > Preface for cosmetic cleaning.

Presentation will be moderated by Robert M. Hinderliter, President of Delco Cleaning Systems of Fort Worth who was instrumental in the development of Fort Worth Cosmetic Cleaning Ordinance. Also a panel of regulators will answers question about the effectiveness of regulations in their municipalities.”

According to Brent Larsen, NPDES Permit Branch, EPA Region 6, the information that I will need for the presentation is contained in your NPDES Permit, IDDE (Illicit Discharge Detection and Elimination) Section - Monitoring Program Results. Specifically I need the Detergents and FOG (Fats, Oil, and Grease) detected in the storm drains as a percentage over time. As an example the Detergents detected in the storm drains before the Fort Worth Cosmetic Cleaning Ordinance was passed were over 65%. And after the ordinance was passed the detergents in the storm drains has varied from 4% to 14% since January 2, 1996 giving us a 12 year history.

What I need to graph for the presentation is the effect the Cosmetic Cleaning Ordinances on the Illicit Discharges (detergents) into the MS4s (storm drains) as compared to specifics of the Cosmetic Cleaning Ordinances or BMPs.

What I specifically need to know about the Cosmetic Cleaning Ordinance or BMP is: were discharges allowed to the Sanitary Sewer Systems and if so under what conditions. Or were the discharges to the MS4 simply prohibited?

Thank you for your help,



Robert M. Hinderliter
President
Delco Cleaning Systems of Fort Worth
2513 Warfield Street, Fort Worth, Texas 76106-7554
Office Phone: 800-433-2113, Direct Phone Line: 800-211-0286, or 817-529-6601
Cell Phone: 817-366-3041, Office Fax: 817-625-2059
Office Email: robert@dcs1.com Company Email: delco@dcs1.com
Websites: Delco Cleaning Systems of Fort Worth, Pressure Power Washers, Delco Cleaning Systems , IKECA Kitchen Grease Exhaust Cleaning Manual
Robert Hinderliter @ Delco Cleaning Systems
05-02-08 12:19:26PM
IP = 66.196.200.75
56769

[Ron Musgraves]

Originally Posted by Beth n Rod

I am preparing a seminar for EPA Region 6 Regulators on the effect of “Cosmetic Cleaning Ordinances & Regulations” on Storm Sewer Water. If anyone knows of any contact information of Regulators in your area please forward the contact information to Robert Hinderliter at robert@dcs1.com. The following letter will be forwarded to then in order for their results to be included in the study.

For you efforts I will sent you a copy of the study.

Thanks for your help, Robert Hinderliter
__________________________________________________ ____


2513 Warfield Street
Fort Worth, Texas 76106
Ph: 817-625-4213, 800-433-2113; fax 817-625-2059
website: Delco Cleaning Systems of Fort Worth, Pressure Power Washers email: robert@dcs1.com

May 2, 2008

Mr. XXXX XXXXXXX
Senior Environmental Engineer
Public Works Department
XXXXX, XX XXXXX

Re: Open Records Request for EPA Region 6 MS4 Conference

Dear Mr. XXX:

I am preparing the following Presentation for the upcoming 10th Annual EPA Region 6 MS4 Operators Conference July 14 – 17, 2008 in Waco, Texas, NPDES Storm Water Program | Water Quality Protection Division | U.S. EPA Region 6 .

“MS4 Ordinances for Cosmetic Cleaning

BMPs & Regulations for
Mobile Power Wash Cosmetic Cleaning

We will explain the Cosmetic Cleaning Ordinances of Houston, San Antonio, Fort Worth, Oklahoma City, BASMAA (Bay Area Stormwater Management Agencies Association). Some of these ordinances have been in affect for over 12 years and their impact on the MS4s will be presented. Models for Ordinances, Contractor Training & Certification, and BMPS will be demonstrated along with the model ordinance on the EPA’s website at EPA > Model Ordinances to Protect Local Resources > Preface for cosmetic cleaning.

Presentation will be moderated by Robert M. Hinderliter, President of Delco Cleaning Systems of Fort Worth who was instrumental in the development of Fort Worth Cosmetic Cleaning Ordinance. Also a panel of regulators will answers question about the effectiveness of regulations in their municipalities.”

According to Brent Larsen, NPDES Permit Branch, EPA Region 6, the information that I will need for the presentation is contained in your NPDES Permit, IDDE (Illicit Discharge Detection and Elimination) Section - Monitoring Program Results. Specifically I need the Detergents and FOG (Fats, Oil, and Grease) detected in the storm drains as a percentage over time. As an example the Detergents detected in the storm drains before the Fort Worth Cosmetic Cleaning Ordinance was passed were over 65%. And after the ordinance was passed the detergents in the storm drains has varied from 4% to 14% since January 2, 1996 giving us a 12 year history.

What I need to graph for the presentation is the effect the Cosmetic Cleaning Ordinances on the Illicit Discharges (detergents) into the MS4s (storm drains) as compared to specifics of the Cosmetic Cleaning Ordinances or BMPs.

What I specifically need to know about the Cosmetic Cleaning Ordinance or BMP is: were discharges allowed to the Sanitary Sewer Systems and if so under what conditions. Or were the discharges to the MS4 simply prohibited?

Thank you for your help,



Robert M. Hinderliter
President
Delco Cleaning Systems of Fort Worth
2513 Warfield Street, Fort Worth, Texas 76106-7554
Office Phone: 800-433-2113, Direct Phone Line: 800-211-0286, or 817-529-6601
Cell Phone: 817-366-3041, Office Fax: 817-625-2059
Office Email: robert@dcs1.com Company Email: delco@dcs1.com
Websites: Delco Cleaning Systems of Fort Worth, Pressure Power Washers, Delco Cleaning Systems , IKECA Kitchen Grease Exhaust Cleaning Manual
Robert Hinderliter @ Delco Cleaning Systems
05-02-08 12:19:26PM
IP = 66.196.200.75
56769

they are making sure residential guys comply also? Full and total reclaim.

Will this include Maryland?

We should be more responsible about stripping those log homes and make sure we tarp and reclaim all materials and water used in cleaning.

Cobb Blasting should take off as the correct way to do this. Tarping the entire project before so we can also keep the air clean.

Are we using alternate fuels, the emission on diesel is killing all of us. We are using electric and propane as much as possible.

We need to make sure all comply with BMP, they should not just pertain to commercial guys, all residential guys also.

Great job, Keep up the good work.

[Ron Musgraves]

According to Brent Larsen, NPDES Permit Branch, EPA Region 6, the information that I will need for the presentation is contained in your NPDES Permit, IDDE (Illicit Discharge Detection and Elimination) Section - Monitoring Program Results. Specifically I need the Detergents and FOG (Fats, Oil, and Grease) detected in the storm drains as a percentage over time. As an example the Detergents detected in the storm drains before the Fort Worth Cosmetic Cleaning Ordinance was passed were over 65%. And after the ordinance was passed the detergents in the storm drains has varied from 4% to 14% since January 2, 1996 giving us a 12 year history.

I hope all know and realize they need permits, it doesnt matter where you live.

[Beth n Rod]

Originally Posted by Ron Musgraves

they are making sure residential guys comply also? Full and total reclaim.

Will this include Maryland?

We should be more responsible about stripping those log homes and make sure we tarp and reclaim all materials and water used in cleaning.

Cobb Blasting should take off as the correct way to do this. Tarping the entire project before so we can also keep the air clean.

Are we using alternate fuels, the emission on diesel is killing all of us. We are using electric and propane as much as possible.

We need to make sure all comply with BMP, they should not just pertain to commercial guys, all residential guys also.

Great job, Keep up the good work.

Ron, what's your problem? Pick up the phone if you have a problem. Are you taking a shot at anyone in particular.....???

Beth

[Beth n Rod]

Gee Ron, when you go off the deep end...
Having a bad day...or should I say evening?
I only ask because your post was out of context with the contents of the letter Beth was asked to post on behalf of Mr. Hinderliter.
Since your post was specifically targeted at us, it seems you have an axe to grind and what prompted this escapes reason here.
I feel no need to address your questions as they are preceding on assumptions.
Try to have a better day/evening or whatever. It really is a choice.

Rod!~

[Ron Musgraves]

No, I saw the no powerwash BMP in GA, its wonderful.

You guys need to rethink this stuff and really be educated.

In GA the property owners didnt do there part. Not the PW.

[JMSC]

I thought the study was comparing the amount of wash water that was entering the storm drains before the ordinance was passed in Fort Worth. That seems like it would be a great thing to me. I want to prove to the authorities that our reclaim methods are working and making a huge difference and by allowing us to have access to Sanitary Sewer, we can take care of the wash water ourselves instead of hauling it all over the state. Isnt that what this is all about?

[RobertH]

I am preparing a presentation that includes what really going on. So far the results have been surprising. No one had done this type of study before. What I am finding out was unexpected.

Please forward me your local contact information of your local regulator so that I may include as municipalities as possible.

Thanks, Robert
robert@dcs1.com

[Ron Musgraves]

Originally Posted by Beth n Rod

Gee Ron, when you go off the deep end...
Having a bad day...or should I say evening?
I only ask because your post was out of context with the contents of the letter Beth was asked to post on behalf of Mr. Hinderliter.
Since your post was specifically targeted at us, it seems you have an axe to grind and what prompted this escapes reason here.
I feel no need to address your questions as they are preceding on assumptions.
Try to have a better day/evening or whatever. It really is a choice.

Rod!~

They are working currently on maryland. I just want them to do it right. residential has to be included in the program.

[JMSC]

ok, im afraid of whats "really going on" Wouldnt that hurt most in this industry? Are you trying to help the industry or hinder us?

[Ron Musgraves]

Originally Posted by JMSC

ok, im afraid of whats "really going on" Wouldnt that hurt most in this industry? Are you trying to help the industry or hinder us?

Thank for asking that question, they will say they are helping.

[Beth n Rod]

Ron,
I don't know what axe it is you feel the need to grind, but you are not in MD. Worry about commercial flatwork in AZ. I don't think you have even one clue what reclaiming water in MD in a residential area off a deck would mean.
Have a nice day....
Beth

[Jeff]

Originally Posted by Beth n Rod

Ron,
I don't know what axe it is you feel the need to grind, but you are not in MD. Worry about commercial flatwork in AZ. I don't think you have even one clue what reclaiming water in MD in a residential area off a deck would mean.
Have a nice day....
Beth

I'm not sure but I think thats the point he is trying to make. When you are pushing reclaim in areas that you don't need reclaim such as many commercial properties, they may start to think reclaim is needed everywhere! Even residential and may pass unnecessary regulations in our area or your area or anyones area. I may be wrong

I don't know Robert, just what I saw of him at the ACR RT, but to an uneducated eye, it looks like possibly he may want to bring the reclaim subject up to the EPA, municipalities or who evers attention and sell the reclaim equipment his company sells. I know very little on the subject like most. I think reclaim scares a lot of people. Even those that follow all the current rules other ways other than reclaiming. Most know of someone with reclaim and its never used, but they bought it because they thought it was needed.

I like diverting etc But if you get some crazy municipality saying PWers have to reclaim everything, it could screw with our industry if I have to reclaim buildings or you a deck or the house wash guy.

I wish I knew more about the subject to give a more educated response, but I don't

[Beth n Rod]

I posted the link and the text for Robert H. at his request. I was glad to do it, I have posted things others have asked me to post in the past. It's that simple. I don't need Ron making cracks about MD or assumptions about our business. I also don't need to catch flack for posting on behalf of any member at their request. Didn't call me, nooooo just flapped in the thread...the king of "not making assumptions" and "calling people"....

Beth