Do You Recover?

[Mike Williamson]

Originally Posted by Ron Musgraves

Scott Stone Posted the correct answer at PWI, but please don't go there to see it.

Is this directed at me, or TGS in general?

As far as laws, are you talking federal laws, or local laws? I can't imagine there's a federal law stating that I can't reclaim my water back into a tank on the same trailer it was delivered on, and take it back home with me to dispose of (properly of course). If there is, would you mind directing me to it?

[One Tough Pressure]

Missed this a week or so ago. I use it to water my lawn in most cases. My water is recycled for reuse and is legal for transport without having a waste haulers permit, which I had my first year.
The water in the oil water seperator is discharged to a sanitary and after letting the filters dry out are disposed of in the landfill, which is also legal as it is not liquid waste.

It is funny how those that do not recover their water, want to pick a bone with those that do.

[Pams Pressure & Clean]

Not to hijack.. But reclaim is being enforced here now.. Limited, but moving forward nontheless. There are many in the Metro who are going to feel pretty sorrowful when they get nailed.
PWNA, Ga., our firm, and a few other contractors, has worked closely with local AHJ's to draft and incorporate BMP's that are realisitic, but effective.
We have also been assured by more than one AHJ that penaties will be sure and swift for violators. They are understanding to the nature of our work, and are flexible with those who are making the effort, but have little tolerance for willful violations.

Compliance is not generally difficult nor expensive in either residential or commercial applications and for most, can be achieved with alarming efficiency for under $500.00 total setup.

For those that are interested, the Ga. Chapter of PWNA is holding a seminar with Robert Hinderliter as the featured guest. The date is Oct 28, 2005.
Some of you already know that Robert is a leading authority in this area and AHJ's across the nation have enlisted his expertise in drafting BMP's.

Please contact me if you would like information on attending this program.

Thanks,

Cujo

[Steve Kiser]

Compliance is not generally difficult nor expensive in either residential or commercial applications and for most, can be achieved with alarming efficiency for under $500.00 total setup.

Can u post a pic, that is interesting. Been thinking about setting up something for commercial work but residentally speaking u are not talking about the house wash or deck cleaning are u? Sounds to be like it would be a PITA.

Thanks in advance

[JeffW]

I was also wondering about which services in which reclamation is required,...equipment,fleets etc... or residential,.....houses,decks,concrete,etc...Or is it ANY water from ANY wash job that reaches a storm drain.And what is the main concern, the cleaners or the dirt coming from the job?Thank you.

[Beth n Rod]

Most of mine hits the dry well or evaporates. What doesn't do that I send to a customers seperator. It's their water, I will let them keep it.

Scott Stone

This is the quote Ron is referring to, and it's no secret. You can let your water evaporate, you can direct it to a dry well. If it runs off to grass that is ok too in our state at least. (check with your local govt) The key thing here, is do not let it run to a sewer that will deliver it to a body of water.

Beth

[One Tough Pressure]

Originally Posted by JeffW

I was also wondering about which services in which reclamation is required,...equipment,fleets etc... or residential,.....houses,decks,concrete,etc...Or is it ANY water from ANY wash job that reaches a storm drain.And what is the main concern, the cleaners or the dirt coming from the job?Thank you.

It is any water that reaches a storm drain, hot, cold, chems, no chems and so on. The dirt that came off of the job and the dirt that your water would pick up on the way to the drain as well.

[JeffW]

One Tough Pressure,thanks ,...that was a definite answer,... the kind of answer I like.

[Ron Musgraves]

As far as laws, are you talking federal laws, or local laws? I can't imagine there's a federal law stating that I can't reclaim my water back into a tank on the same trailer it was delivered on, and take it back home with me to dispose of (properly of course). If there is, would you mind directing me to it?

Mike,
many reasons reclaiming incorrectly is dangerous.

Is your equipment decontaminated? If not your voilating laws each and everytime you reclaim, because if you carry and contaminate from one location and polute another with those contaminates then you have comitted and Crime. Not unlike the photo of the tanker truck pulling up to a lake or river and dumping directly into the water.

your city or county has facilitys that you can research to dump properly. all major cities have sites. Phoenix metro only has two.(private companies in phx own and run these sites) waist mang & some other company.


The city does not want your water, if they have informed you they do then someone has screwed up or do not understand what hazordous material your disposing of.

Yes, its hazordous material.( not wash water)





Beth, Its US waters. I know you know that because you found that beautiful Post from the epa that seperates the fed law or fleets from Flat work. I dont recall the link and maybe you have it.

I have seen real reclaimation systems and not just solid waist separators. 90% or maybe even higher is what you guys have. I own three or these units and have built the two myself.


Alan, For your info I have taken EPA certified classes on this @ ASU.........I have helped Local citys figures results for my fellow PW in my local area.

The reason I do this if so I can stay in business and be eviromentally Safe. My living depends on it, This is not a part time venture like yours. I dont have a Job.

I dont admit i know everything but all should know these fundamentals. ( no one Does)

[Beth n Rod]

You mean this link Ron?
http://www.epa.gov/earth1r6/6en/w/pw.htm

Beth

[Mike Williamson]

Originally Posted by Ron Musgraves

Mike,
many reasons reclaiming incorrectly is dangerous.

Is your equipment decontaminated? If not your voilating laws each and everytime you reclaim, because if you carry and contaminate from one location and polute another with those contaminates then you have comitted and Crime. Not unlike the photo of the tanker truck pulling up to a lake or river and dumping directly into the water.

your city or county has facilitys that you can research to dump properly. all major cities have sites. Phoenix metro only has two.(private companies in phx own and run these sites) waist mang & some other company.


The city does not want your water, if they have informed you they do then someone has screwed up or do not understand what hazordous material your disposing of.

Yes, its hazordous material.( not wash water)

so you're saying that if I reclaim the water, haul it to a sanitary sewer (if my local government allows that) and dump it, I've contaminated the sanitary sewer??? I fail to see how that is the same as dumping a tanker of chemicals into a lake.

I'm still waiting for a reference to the laws you claim I'd be violating ("then you have comitted and (sic) Crime.")

[Ron Musgraves]

Mike, where does sanitary sewer water go? do you know. Mine travels to US waters.

HAs anyone seen the trucks that vac these sanitary lines? Often they are investigating dumping into the sanitary system. Looking for Voilators......

Mike beth Just gave you the link. DOT site will also have info. Find It, prove me wrong.

[Ron Musgraves]

Alan, You live in cali, Your sanitarys often dump straight into the ocean. Have you been to the beach when they tell you swim at your own risk?

Please dont water my lawn with your hazordous water. NO THANKS I bet you dont water yours? Dont try to tell me you ment you keep it on property. You already said you haul it away.

[Mike Williamson]

Originally Posted by Ron Musgraves

Mike, where does sanitary sewer water go? do you know. Mine travels to US waters.

HAs anyone seen the trucks that vac these sanitary lines? Often they are investigating dumping into the sanitary system. Looking for Voilators......

Mike beth Just gave you the link. DOT site will also have info. Find It, prove me wrong.

Not sure how they do things in AZ, but here the sanitary sewers go to the sewage treatment plant.

No, I've never seen a truck vacuuming sanitary sewer lines, though I HAVE seen them water jetted when they get clogged. Of course, no one here is enforcing reclamation, so I don't imagine anyone is running around trying to catch violators (Or voilators).

No thanks, I'm not going to waste my time doing your research just to prove you wrong. If you have the link to these "laws", post it. Until then, I'm just assuming you don't have it. No big deal.

[Mike Williamson]

Originally Posted by Ron Musgraves

Alan, You live in cali, Your sanitarys often dump straight into the ocean. Have you been to the beach when they tell you swim at your own risk?

Where do you come up with this stuff????

"swim at your own risk" typically means there's no lifeguard and/or hazards like strong currents, rip tides, etc, and that if you go swimming you're going to "swim at your own risk". It doesn't mean if you go swimming you might see a turd float by.

You're telling me that it's a huge violation of fed. law to let wash water from a driveway cleaning (water, dirt, algae, a little soap and some chlorine) go into a storm sewer, but it's ok for God knows what to get flushed down the toilet and be discharged into the ocean??? Somehow, I think not.