UAMCC and Relief for Washers Announces Merger

[Russ Spence]

Ken to be honest I formed a well thought out oponion before I even spoke to the first person and it is still the same , I personally feel it is going in the wrong direction and I feel the parties are too involved in forming an orginazation rather than reaching out to help the ones effected right now. There is no need for anyone to feel differently , all this looks good on the surface but it is time wasted when there are still contractors needing help and education on how to keep working and not on how to get discounts from distributors on stuff they dont need and cant afford , heck most cant pay for the equipment they have now what good does it do to offer schools and training for work they still cant preform ? What good does it do for distributors to offer discounts when we still have not addressed the problems at hand ?

We are all in it to make money and I respect that but they real problem that needs to be addressed is what is being done for relief from the drought ?

Education on a State level and the networking of contractors in a localized area is most important "contractors helping contractors" sound fimilar ? I will be assisting those in my area but not under the umbrella of a National orginazation , it wont benifit anyone, I am not effected by the drought and for that I am thankful but I am ready if I am , the real question is what are the affected contractors doing to get back to work and what can we do to help them get ther w/o costing them more money in dues, equipment ect ......

What was done with the PWM money to help ? Website ? what ? I Just like to know , what good is the site if no one know to look at it , if a national org was the goal it should have been known up front.

[PressurePros]

Russ, your best bet is to speak to Carlos directly. Nothing has changed from the original vision. By contractors - for contractors.

[Russ Spence]

I feel its suited best to have an open discussion like this so that the questions and answers can all be made public for "contractors by contractors"

[PressurePros]

I agree with you. I just have to step back from it. I'm not sure of Carlos' schedule. I know he is working on a big project.

[RobertH]

The merger of UAmCc and Relief For Washers was for the benefit for the industry. It is being managed by Carlos Gonzales, “for contractors, by contractors”. Carlos is the driving force. UAmCc was turned over to Carlos without any strings attached.

Carlos is responsible for everything and needs your help. I will be filling an advisory capacity only. I am not involved in the day to day operations.

To answer some of your questions:

1) Carlos will be organizing the association into a “Not for Profit Association”, establishing a budget, by-laws, etc.
2) Carlos has insisted from the beginning there everything be completely open with no hidden agendas.
3) It is not a marketing tool for Delco Cleaning Systems of Fort Worth.
4) The association will be open to everyone.
5) Contractors will determine the direction of the association.
6) contractors will determine the involvement of Distributors and Manufactures.
7) the initial goad of the association is address the issues of the drought and the environmental issues.

Respectifully,
Robert M. Hinderliter
President
Delco Cleaning Systems of Fort Worth
800-433-2113, robert@dcs1.com

[Russ Spence]

That is fine up front , It will amaze me if it goes that way , I have seen good intentions go bad due to people with hidden agendas before , I am only concerned with what is being done to aid those needing help , this is fine on its own merit but everyone was led to feel that this was going to go down the road to the problem at hand and not be taken on a national level before the actual problem here was addressed , money was taken to benifit those and I dont feel that the money that was raised and collected was to go to this , granted it is not affecting me personally but nothing has been done to help those in need , the problem still exist and now we are starting a national chapter when it should have been done more locally first , how can it be done on a large scale when it has not been fixed on a smaller scale yet ? Fix the problem at hand and then expand it nationally !

I may be just a dumb ole country boy to some but I am just calling it like I see it and until I see change in the area this was supposed to be started for then I can not and will not endorse it on a large scale , we have to fix the wound before it infects the body then its controlable.

[Beth n Rod]

Robert, thank you for chiming in!
Beth

[newlook]

Russ,

So that you understand where the $360.00 bucks went for the RFW initiative .. it went to the website build and the web hosting. The individuals (all 3 of them) that donated the money was made aware of how the money was spent and where it was going to be spent.

If you feel that the $ was earmarked and/or spent to cause this merge you are unfortunately incorrect.

As it relates to the RFW site - You assume that folks in the region down there are not benefiting from the RFW site. Give Al Patterson a call in N. Georgia - 770-652-1794.

Thanks for you input and comments. I trust you will try to keep an open mind.

Take Care

[RobertH]

For the benefit of the industry everyone needs to get involved with a POSITIVE ADDITUDE and contribute some of their time and money for the benefit of everyone.

This should not be the effort of a few!

[Jeff]

Originally Posted by Beth n Rod

What did you add to your coffee today?

By the way - I think...we are off topic....
Beth

Yup definitely off topic, sorry, back to the regularly scheduled show

[Beth n Rod]

Originally Posted by RobertH

For the benefit of the industry everyone needs to get involved with a POSITIVE ADDITUDE and contribute some of their time and money for the benefit of everyone.

This should not be the effort of a few!

Agreed!

Last fall when so many of us met in PA, we wanted a change in our industry. Well folks, here is a change. To those of you who have shown an interest, who have said you would donate a little time, now is the time to step up and let the UAMCC/RFW know who you are and how you can help. Rome was not built in a day, and not by a couple of people.

If you have ideas and time to help, now would be a great time to speak up. All orgs need volunteers or they accomplish nothing.

Beth

[squirtgun]

Originally Posted by newlook

Russ,

So that you understand where the $360.00 bucks went for the RFW initiative .. it went to the website build and the web hosting. The individuals (all 3 of them) that donated the money was made aware of how the money was spent and where it was going to be spent.

If you feel that the $ was earmarked and/or spent to cause this merge you are unfortunately incorrect.

As it relates to the RFW site - You assume that folks in the region down there are not benefiting from the RFW site. Give Al Patterson a call in N. Georgia - 770-652-1794.

Thanks for you input and comments. I trust you will try to keep an open mind.

Take Care

Carlos,
I have tried to stay low key on this,but since Bob and myself donated money from the sale of PWM merchadise to help I might as well speak my piece.We are fine with the expenditure of those monies for the RFW website as it is.
However,even after our lengthy conversation and getting what I trust were 100% factual answers I have not been able to shake the feeling of being thrown under the bus and possibly back over a couple of times.Nor can I shake the feeling that this merger has been is the works for far longer than I and others know about.Hence my backing away from the UAMCC/RFW at this time.
I can not be part of something unless I have strong moral and ethical convictions about it.It's for those same reasons I did not join the PWNA and since this merger happen in what I feel was clandestine manner I will not support it at this time.Although I did initially.That does not mean after see a clearer direction fully geared toward contractors,free of influence from manufacturers and distributors I will not reconsider my position in the future.
I will continue to offer my support to my fellow contractors in the southeast in any way possible,but for now that doesn't include the uamcc/rfw.Nor does that imply I will work against your efforts.

Those who know me know I don't work in shades of gray and I'm a very literal person.I would rather be hated for being honest,than loved for telling people what they want to hear.

Russ,
We may be country boys,but we have been taught all our lives to trust our gut instincts.It's those instincts that keep us from stepping off a 100' cliff while snipe hunting in the dark...lol.

[newlook]

I apprecaite you candor Scott and I respect it. As I respect everyones position and initial reaction to all this.

I do not agree with all the assumptions that have been flying around but again I do understand why and how come.

With all this said, certainly time will tell.

It has been an interesting 24 hours on the BBS relating to this subject. I am not going to put myself and/or others that participate in this endeavor through the "up's and down's" of having to reiteriate the end goal of this.

I expalined in great detail above of the facts and where this is going. Nothing more needs to be said.

As I asked of Russ I also am asking of you - just please keep an open mind.

[Jeff]

Originally Posted by Russ Spence

That is fine up front , It will amaze me if it goes that way , I have seen good intentions go bad due to people with hidden agendas before , I am only concerned with what is being done to aid those needing help , this is fine on its own merit but everyone was led to feel that this was going to go down the road to the problem at hand and not be taken on a national level before the actual problem here was addressed , money was taken to benefit those and I don't feel that the money that was raised and collected was to go to this , granted it is not affecting me personally but nothing has been done to help those in need , the problem still exist and now we are starting a national chapter when it should have been done more locally first , how can it be done on a large scale when it has not been fixed on a smaller scale yet ? Fix the problem at hand and then expand it nationally !

I may be just a dumb ole country boy to some but I am just calling it like I see it and until I see change in the area this was supposed to be started for then I can not and will not endorse it on a large scale , we have to fix the wound before it infects the body then its controlable.

Well since none of us are God, we can't fix the problem locally or nationally, we can't make it rain.

I for one really couldnt give a rats a*s about a PWing org. I belong to plenty of orgs, not one is a PW org. The reason I belong to none is all the fighting or lack of benefits to have me join it. Out of that whopping $360 I gave $100, big deal. I offered more recently to Carlos if he needed it and will probably donate if I feel it will help. I offered some months ago to the PWNC to donate in an email, not to join, to donate to help with some of the cost. I didn't offer or give it to be a part of anything, I gave it to try to help. I didn't care if it went to starting a website to list congressman emails to contact, I didn't care if it was to help someone pay for some chems to do a job, I didn't care if it was for someone who was getting out of the industry and needed a plane ticket for an out of state interview. RFW I feel used my money wisely, he got a website up with some congressman's name & emails

Whether its local or national I dont care, I always figured the more the better when trying to get things done

I have talked to Carlos in the past and recently maybe a total of 6 or 7 times in the past 9 months and I met him at the ACR RT. He's an alright guy. He wants to help, his biz runs smoothly so he has time to try this stuff and try to help. WHY I don't really know, why someone would want to start an org in this industry, when ever one starts or goes on for a while it either fails or is torn apart on the BB's. I couldn't be bothered. I am happy with the BB's & RT's. But I think I have a good feel about people and I feel, I know Carlos tried it with others and it didn't really work, and now he is trying it on his own. does he want to be an industry spokesmen or the king of an org. I really dont think so, I think its just trying to get SOMETHING together to help this industry.

Russ, it has nothing to do with city slickers or good ole boys, yankees vs rebels. for some reason Carlos wants to put himself in this mess, I don't think he really ever thought it would be a mess.

I suggest all the people who are calling you, why don't they just call Carlos and ask him whats up. (Hey I thought you never answered your phone LOL) If they don't want to call, post their questions here


From talking with Carlos today, He wants to do something for the industry and Robert H gave over a base of operation free of strings. I feel it possibly deserves some merit.

I told Carlos and others that I never want to be a part of starting an org, and he has never asked, like I said I haven't joined any either BUT I am willing to help by donating or giving my view. I wont join this org anytime real soon, just like I haven't joined Celeste's org, because I see no benefit to my company. BUT i will support their efforts if they are trying to do something constructive


SORRY FOR THE LONG POST, I just say lets not be negative right off the bat, he stated what he did with the money, he stated his intentions, give him a chance, if it fails or he's lying to anyone it will come out and then we can beat the crap out of him on ALL the BB"s

Hell I recommended to Carlos forget about the RFW and move on to other benefits to CONTRACTORS, the crazy ******* just wants to help

Someday this industry is going to need an org for all our voices.....when we will see, I hope someday there is a couple orgs working for all us PWing contractors. I will then join.maybe LOL maybe several groups could actually help each other.Naaaaahhhhhhhhhhh


Just my opinion all, I'm just speaking on this, because I like Carlos and I think he's doing it for good intentions.......Now do I think it will work????? don't know, hope so, just for the effort

Any questions give Carlos a call or email him, one thing Carlos knows how to do is TALK LOL

Jeff

[Russ Spence]

Jeff you are correct but if no one keeps track of things we could all end up with the PWNA all over again, Carlos I applaude your efforts but the one question remains in my head is , what is being done for the guys in Georgia and the surronding areas ?in G