what can you add to soda beads

[chris francis]

Have question to ask what can you mix with soda beads. I hear some put dish soap. Can you add TSP with out killing yourself.

[HotShot]

What would you like to add to soda beads?

Any surfactant basically will help cut the grease a little faster/better. Dawn works fine...

Not sure what TSP would help, but I'm pretty sure you could add it. Chris, you would be well advised to contact my buddy from ZEP. He is the liaison for kitchen exhaust cleaning and he is also located in FL. Great guy, can sell you good quality products that are much safer than mixing your own stuff. His name is Chris also...

Chris Bisbee
407 341-0786

Tell him Anthony from HotShot sent you, he'll take really good care of you.


Disclaimer: HotShot Hood and Duct Services does not claim to be any kind of chemist, therefore contact a chemist. Mix chems at your own risk.

[chris francis]

Thanks Anthony I am just thinking out load about soda beads and uses on greases and am thinking kitchen exhausts but I think need partner for those.

[mbryan]

I agree with Anthony, I would stay away from mixing chemicals, leave that up to the experts and buy pre mixed chemicals that you can just ad water to. There are so many out there and the few extra dollars you will spend to buy them already made are worth your safety.

[MMI Enterprises]

Tsp is a degreasing surfactant. It will help to get into the grime to be cleaned and help keep it emulsified and suspend it away.Very good stuff in general. As far as how proper the phosphates be for the metals involved I do not know but I doubt it worse then the caustic itself could do. Your standard dish liquids could be just as effective and are also able to provide some foamage and cling time. The phosphates have slowly been taking a back seat due to environmental concerns of their causing algae in waterways.

Other options would be to use some potassium hydroxide along with the sodium hydroxide. They are about both the same and are what we call caustic but I believe the potassium is able to make the glycerins in the oil runnier. Am not a chemist so I don't know but I think if we can find a biodiesel person they might be able to confirm that one caustic along with a certain type of 'ol' (alcohol,methanol) will get the glycerin to seperate and drop to the bottom better or more cost effectively. Alcohols and hydroxide is what is called methoxide far as I understand it. One guy I spoke to local to me explained something of it to me but I've forgotten the exact info. Thing is pottasium costs more and in some applications that can be important.

But going back to the tsp for a moment it could be noted that it is used along with the hydroxide in some very popular wood stripper/concrete cleaning chems often pushed on the forums so that might confirm that it is safe together. Containers of tsp also often mention it being able to be used in conjunction with chlorine bleach for various cleaning task so all I can say is it is a friendly product to me. Historically I believe it was popular to bleach and clean whale bones. Maybe it was actually used to clean the decks to..unsure..lol. Also historically it has been the main chem of choice for painters to degrease kitchen walls or to Etch the existing paints to acheive better adhesion of new paint. So let that be a warning that it can hurt paint and it can leave a nice film on windows too....

Butyl Cellosolve (2-butoxy or glycol ether) is another chem often used with hydroxide as a surfactant/boost. Most often you will see it in floor strippers used on vinyl or concrete floors that are coated with waterborne acrylics (aka-wax). Since many of these finishes are crosslinked they can be as tough as nails to foot traffic..goes to show how strong a butyl boosted hydroxide can be.

Propylene glycol (commonly known as safer antifreeze) is another booster of hydroxide used for expanded range in coating removal. Folks use it along with the common wood strippers on tough jobs. It and potassium hydroxide are chems used together in a popular graffiti remover called Taginator if not mistaken...

So that should do, ya can boost caustic with many things. Just be sure to wear protection and use heat safe containers as stuff gets real hot when ya mix them. Mainly the hydroxide into water does such so you probably already aware of that. I also trust you know to only put the raw chems into water rather then the other way around.

Main thing I would stress besides safety is that you can get by with lots less caustic/heat if there is good surfactant/wetting going on in a mix. It is the wetting that rids surface tension and allows chems in through a coating, grease and carbon in this case, so it will break down and dissolve easier.

I'll second what Anthony said:
Disclaimer: MMI Enterprises does not claim to be any kind of chemist, therefore contact a chemist. Mix chems at your own risk!

[chris francis]

Thanks for that information. there is one chem I like but it is not FDA approved local company sales power 500 I have used on drive through. I want to learn more about cleaning the hoods so I can get both the flat work and hoods.

[Ron Musgraves]

Originally Posted by chris francis

Thanks for that information. there is one chem I like but it is not FDA approved local company sales power 500 I have used on drive through. I want to learn more about cleaning the hoods so I can get both the flat work and hoods.

I have sister in polk city

[chris francis]

Ron that is cool Polk city is about 30 min from me.

[chris francis]

ron are you going to see here in July when you are in town for the rt