Chat transcript from 1/27/05

[Beth n Rod]

01/27/05 18:19:02 BethnRod Logs in [63.158.252.128]
01/27/05 18:19:21 BethnRod Logs Out
01/27/05 18:26:47 scottk Logs in [68.154.64.236]
01/27/05 18:26:58 scottk Logs Out
01/27/05 19:55:03 Russell_C Logs in [172.151.19.21]
01/27/05 19:55:40 Russell_C: Welcome to Wood Chat. My name is Russell Cissell and I will be your host for the evening
01/27/05 19:56:33 Russell_C: The forum tonight is open so please feel free to ask any questions or present any information you like.
01/27/05 20:02:38 Indy_Mike Logs in [4.224.177.62]
01/27/05 20:02:59 Russell_C: Welcome Mike
01/27/05 20:03:11 Indy_Mike: Thank you.
01/27/05 20:03:26 Russell_C: How are you this evening?
01/27/05 20:03:39 Indy_Mike: Im doing good, yourself?
01/27/05 20:03:46 Russell_C: Doing great
01/27/05 20:04:15 Russell_C: Did you come to wood chat with any specific questions or concerns this evening?
01/27/05 20:04:54 Indy_Mike: just saw that there was a chat at 8pm so i thought i would pop in and see whats going on :)
01/27/05 20:05:06 Russell_C: Great
01/27/05 20:05:19 Russell_C: do you currently offer wood restoration services?
01/27/05 20:07:07 Indy_Mike: very minimum, I still want to learn more about it first. I know its more in the chems and less in the power, so until I am confident in my knowledge, I've steered away from it
01/27/05 20:07:26 Rod Logs in [63.158.252.128]
01/27/05 20:07:44 Rod: Hey ya'll
01/27/05 20:07:44 Indy_Mike: Hey Rod
01/27/05 20:07:59 Rod: Wassup!
01/27/05 20:08:09 Russell_C: I understand Mike
01/27/05 20:08:14 Russell_C: Welcome Rod
01/27/05 20:08:39 Rod: Good Evening Mr Russell.
01/27/05 20:08:40 Russell_C: Mike, were there any specific concerns you have about wood restoration?
01/27/05 20:09:06 Russell_C: Like most other things, exp. will be your best teacher.
01/27/05 20:09:26 Indy_Mike: the right chems to use would be helpful :)
01/27/05 20:09:49 Russell_C: Well a lot of the will depend on the job at hand but. . .
01/27/05 20:09:52 Rod: russ has got them...
01/27/05 20:10:36 Russell_C: The tools that you need in your chest are a stripper for heavy stains, a cleaner for easier jobs and a brightener/neutralizer
01/27/05 20:11:16 Russell_C: Some contractors will steer away from the tougher jobs till they "get their feet wet"
01/27/05 20:11:17 Indy_Mike: yeah I saw a wood tux kit that had a small portion of each, I was looking into trying it out
01/27/05 20:11:43 Russell_C: Yeah, sample kits are great for peaking your interest
01/27/05 20:11:57 Russell_C: Have you ever done a deck job?
01/27/05 20:12:52 Indy_Mike: yeah a few small decks when doing houses, just cleaned them, no stripping or staining. But I want to learn more about it as I know theres good money to be made doing it
01/27/05 20:13:44 Russell_C: Great, can you tell me what you learned from the jobs you have done?
01/27/05 20:15:13 Indy_Mike: yeah, like I said, I know its more about using the right chems, not blasting the wood. I applied the cleaner with a brush, and washed it away with low pressure and it looked great. I've not gotten into a "hard" one yet as I've tried to steer away so I can
01/27/05 20:15:24 Indy_Mike: learn more first
01/27/05 20:16:04 Indy_Mike: so I'm looking for a good cleaner this year so I can do more wood work and gain some confidence
01/27/05 20:16:20 Russell_C: Excellent, well you have taken the first major step and it doesn't sound like you are afraid to learn
01/27/05 20:16:24 Indy_Mike: this season
01/27/05 20:16:36 Russell_C: We can take care of that for you, but let's back up
01/27/05 20:16:55 Russell_C: Can you tell me about your pricing structure?
01/27/05 20:17:02 Indy_Mike: not afraid to learn, just dont want to jump in over my head and damage someones deck, i pride myself on quality
01/27/05 20:17:48 Rod: Damage is easier to avoid than it is to undo.
01/27/05 20:18:02 Indy_Mike: I dont really have a structure for decks, as I've only done a few small ones (when doing a house wash) I just threw it in with the house wash, used a wood cleaner, and carefully rinsed it
01/27/05 20:18:16 Russell_C: We want to make sure they you are pricing yourself for success. We will make sure that you have the support you need to confidently and correctly use the products.
01/27/05 20:18:40 Russell_C: Alright, what part of the country are you in?
01/27/05 20:19:02 Indy_Mike: just small decks, wooden steps to a doorway, stuff like that, so I never set up a price structure as I stayed away from the big ones :)
01/27/05 20:19:06 Indy_Mike: Indiana
01/27/05 20:19:15 Russell_C: We can follow the structure that we use here with a few adjustments
01/27/05 20:19:35 scottk Logs in [68.154.64.236]
01/27/05 20:19:40 Indy_Mike: hey scott
01/27/05 20:19:44 scottk: hey mike
01/27/05 20:19:45 Russell_C: How much do you charg for a house wash on a 2000 sq foot single story home?
01/27/05 20:19:47 Rod: Hello Scott
01/27/05 20:19:52 Russell_C: Welcome Scott
01/27/05 20:19:53 scottk: hey rod
01/27/05 20:20:10 scottk: thanks russell
01/27/05 20:20:17 Indy_Mike: phone call, brb in a min
01/27/05 20:20:38 Russell_C: Scott, we are talking to Mike about pricing wood restoration in Indiana
01/27/05 20:20:55 Russell_C: but as he has had to step away, do you have any questions?
01/27/05 20:21:28 scottk: I have the wood pricing down...toobad our custoers don't get it................lol
01/27/05 20:21:49 scottk: ok and I can't type tonight
01/27/05 20:21:54 Russell_C: That actually made me laugh!
01/27/05 20:21:55 Rod: Seeling it to them in the long run format helps
01/27/05 20:21:57 Russell_C: Thank you
01/27/05 20:22:28 Russell_C: What part of the country are you in Scott?
01/27/05 20:22:30 scottk: Their feel they can build a new deck for wha the long run costs are
01/27/05 20:22:41 scottk: Southwest Ga russell
01/27/05 20:23:12 Russell_C: It's tough when the builder doesn't educate them on what the upkeep is going to be
01/27/05 20:23:28 Russell_C: Many homeowners are quite suprised
01/27/05 20:23:54 scottk: they think PT will last forever and that it is zero maintenance
01/27/05 20:24:34 scottk: when i talk about cleaning and the process we use they look at me like i'm crazy
01/27/05 20:24:52 scottk: they all think bleach isthe way to do it
01/27/05 20:25:11 Russell_C: Sounds like you need to do a lot of educating!
01/27/05 20:25:19 Rod: sounds like an ad campaign to educate them in the effects of bleach in the long run...
01/27/05 20:25:30 Rod: before during and after...
01/27/05 20:25:56 Russell_C: You could write a press release in time for spring and submit it to the local papers
01/27/05 20:26:45 scottk: we sent out 2000's info packs last year to homeowners with decks that covered all of the con's of bleach and the pro's of using the latest methods and had 1 call
01/27/05 20:26:52 Russell_C: Write it in the third person with yourself as the "expert" and you can steer them into a more correct way of thinking
01/27/05 20:27:07 Indy_Mike: sorry, it was family on the phone, russ looked like I charged .50 sq ft for the last deck i cleaned
01/27/05 20:27:23 scottk: wow mike i even get more than that
01/27/05 20:27:33 Russell_C: Okay Mike, we will work on that
01/27/05 20:27:46 Indy_Mike: like I said, it was a small one, I havent done a big deck yet as I've steered away from them
01/27/05 20:27:57 Russell_C: Mike how much does a gallon of milk cost there?
01/27/05 20:27:57 scottk: the last deck we did was $1.35 sq ft
01/27/05 20:28:14 Indy_Mike: scott I just brused on a cleaner and rinsed it off
01/27/05 20:28:22 scottk: ok
01/27/05 20:28:31 scottk: for cleaning only i charge much less
01/27/05 20:28:40 Indy_Mike: milk here is about 2.80 a gallon
01/27/05 20:29:03 Russell_C: Do you know the price for a wholesale dozen roses cash and carry?
01/27/05 20:29:37 scottk: 14.99 here for the roses
01/27/05 20:29:45 Indy_Mike: hmmm wholesale, I dont know. Last time the wife got a dozen roses it was 30 dollars on V day
01/27/05 20:29:46 scottk: milk 2.99
01/27/05 20:30:06 Russell_C: Mikie how about a movie ticket?
01/27/05 20:30:30 Indy_Mike: 7.50, 5.50 for the matinee
01/27/05 20:31:23 Russell_C: alright I would estimate that your market will bear about $1.40 to $1.55 for decks and about $2.50 for cedar homes
01/27/05 20:31:37 Indy_Mike: oh really?
01/27/05 20:31:47 Russell_C: Can you tell me a little bit about your operating expences?
01/27/05 20:32:28 Indy_Mike: I'm a part time one man operation with little overhead right now
01/27/05 20:32:51 Russell_C: I asked you for the price of a staple (milk) and a luxury item (movie ticket) compared them to the national average, cross refrenced with our price and made an ajustment.
01/27/05 20:33:23 Russell_C: The numbers I quoted you should serve as a good jumping off point.
01/27/05 20:33:38 Indy_Mike: ok thanks for the infor Russ
01/27/05 20:33:39 Russell_C: It sounds like you are running lean
01/27/05 20:33:46 Indy_Mike: information that is
01/27/05 20:34:06 Russell_C: do you plan to offer maint. packages?
01/27/05 20:34:44 Indy_Mike: I do for other services, I imagine if I did decks on a regular basis I would want to, yes
01/27/05 20:35:11 Russell_C: alright, do you plan to expand you labor force over the next 3 to 5 years?
01/27/05 20:36:02 Indy_Mike: I plan to go full time within a year, and maybe hire someone to help me in the following if it works out
01/27/05 20:36:18 Russell_C: Ok
01/27/05 20:36:32 Indy_Mike: dont want to grow to fast and cut quality :)
01/27/05 20:36:47 Russell_C: Great, I think I am with you
01/27/05 20:37:06 Russell_C: ok, how many decks would you like to clean this year?
01/27/05 20:37:36 Rod: You getting all this Scott :) Russ is pretty involving
01/27/05 20:37:47 Indy_Mike: hmm, thats a hard question, as I clean more then just wood ..thinking
01/27/05 20:38:08 Russell_C: By all means Scott, I don't mean to leave you out! Chime in if you like
01/27/05 20:38:19 Russell_C: stop!
01/27/05 20:38:25 Indy_Mike: right now I work 2-3 days a week doing this, will be full time hopefully this year
01/27/05 20:38:34 Russell_C: Mike, don't think, it will mess us all up
01/27/05 20:38:46 Russell_C: In the 1-3 days, what do you clean now?
01/27/05 20:39:23 Indy_Mike: 1 or 2, when I'm doing a house wash on average
01/27/05 20:39:32 Russell_C: (I was kidding by the way, humor is so easily lost in the digital translation)
01/27/05 20:39:50 Russell_C: Great, how many hours do you spend washing and what do you earn?
01/27/05 20:40:09 Indy_Mike: wake up scott :)
01/27/05 20:40:24 Indy_Mike: hours, hmm man your making me think
01/27/05 20:40:48 Russell_C: OK, keep it simple, how much cash do you drag home in 3 days?
01/27/05 20:42:10 Indy_Mike: cant tell you, my wife would have me outside with the dog
01/27/05 20:42:12 Rod: or need to bring home if that helps.
01/27/05 20:42:21 Russell_C: Mike, I understand that you are part time and some of my questions may be difficult to answer.
01/27/05 20:42:27 scottk: i'm here....
01/27/05 20:42:34 Russell_C: We can work another way
01/27/05 20:42:43 Indy_Mike: whereas this going?
01/27/05 20:42:56 Russell_C: With wood restoration you can expect to clean about 150 square feet per hour starting out
01/27/05 20:43:25 Russell_C: You can expect to stain from 100 - 300 depending on the mothod being used
01/27/05 20:43:46 Rod: He is giving you a way to figure out how much money you can expect to make by finding out a few basic things
01/27/05 20:44:28 Russell_C: I also want to make sure that you are able to set your price according to your financial needs
01/27/05 20:44:50 Jessekirchhoff Logs in [12.215.229.90]
01/27/05 20:44:50 Russell_C: it does no good to have a price the market will bear if it does not support your buisness model
01/27/05 20:44:57 Russell_C: Welcome Jesse
01/27/05 20:45:07 Jessekirchhoff: Good Evening
01/27/05 20:45:14 Russell_C: We are talking with Mike about pricing structure for wood restoration
01/27/05 20:45:20 Rod: Hey Jesse
01/27/05 20:45:27 Jessekirchhoff: Hey Guys
01/27/05 20:45:30 Indy_Mike: thanks russ, got it all written down
01/27/05 20:45:51 Indy_Mike: Scott or Jesse have a question, I dont want to hog all the time
01/27/05 20:46:04 Russell_C: Great Mike, I would be happy to speak with you on the phone if you would like to go over it in more detail
01/27/05 20:46:18 Jessekirchhoff: I cant see what has been posted till now
01/27/05 20:46:42 Russell_C: We are also offering a preseason special on chems if you would like to try the HD-80, efc-38 or Citralic this season
01/27/05 20:47:10 Indy_Mike: Russ, I understand and your help is greatly appreciated. I just havent been one to like to give #'s over a public air I'll have to call you
01/27/05 20:47:12 Russell_C: Well, Jesse perhaps you will not be late to future wood chats?
01/27/05 20:47:23 Russell_C: Understand
01/27/05 20:47:30 Jessekirchhoff: Im sorry
01/27/05 20:47:34 Russell_C: you can reach me direct at 636-899-1769
01/27/05 20:47:42 Rod: Jesse,
01/27/05 20:47:53 Jessekirchhoff: yes sir
01/27/05 20:47:55 Russell_C: I've got an 800# but I will have to look that one up
01/27/05 20:48:07 Rod: Russ and mike were talking about possible deck production and how much you can make based upon production
01/27/05 20:48:09 Indy_Mike: I can pay the dime for your time
01/27/05 20:48:37 Indy_Mike: Jesse, do you clean decks?
01/27/05 20:49:10 Jessekirchhoff: I sure do
01/27/05 20:49:28 Jessekirchhoff: I prefer cedar siding $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
01/27/05 20:49:37 Rod: heard that!
01/27/05 20:49:47 Rod: logs!!!!
01/27/05 20:49:47 Russell_C: Easier than decks too!
01/27/05 20:50:13 Indy_Mike: different chems for the 2 ?
01/27/05 20:50:16 Jessekirchhoff: You can hunt elephants or you can hunt mice. I'll hunt elephants
01/27/05 20:50:19 Russell_C: Same
01/27/05 20:50:30 Russell_C: You fear mice
01/27/05 20:50:39 Jessekirchhoff: I like efc-38 on siding
01/27/05 20:50:53 Russell_C: Usually siding doesn't have as much stain on it
01/27/05 20:51:03 Russell_C: people go nuts on decks it seems
01/27/05 20:51:28 Jessekirchhoff: and it is normally 10 pluss years before they seal again'
01/27/05 20:51:31 Russell_C: efc-38 will handle most siding jobs and it is easier on the vegitation
01/27/05 20:51:42 Jessekirchhoff: and your skin
01/27/05 20:51:54 Russell_C: I still prefer to use a brightener after to really make it pop
01/27/05 20:52:09 Jessekirchhoff: I agree
01/27/05 20:52:20 Russell_C: Well, Jesse, perhaps if you would wear your protective gear you would not have these problems
01/27/05 20:53:06 Jessekirchhoff: what is protective gear? You wont catch me in no motorcycle helmet
01/27/05 20:53:08 Rod: Who says itchey skin is a (scratch,scratch,scratch) problem????
01/27/05 20:53:35 Jessekirchhoff: and what the heck are all trhese blisters?
01/27/05 20:53:41 Russell_C: I will warn both of you, I have osha on speed dial!
01/27/05 20:53:53 Rod: yeah, I dont remember going to that place...
01/27/05 20:54:03 Rod: oh s8888
01/27/05 20:54:05 Russell_C: Mike, they are trying to scare you
01/27/05 20:54:13 Rod: oh S*****
01/27/05 20:54:22 Russell_C: though they might say I am trying to scar you
01/27/05 20:54:30 Rod: scar?
01/27/05 20:54:35 Rod: Ha!
01/27/05 20:54:38 Indy_Mike: ouch
01/27/05 20:54:49 Rod: Blisters is fer sissies...
01/27/05 20:55:10 Russell_C: HD-80 is a caustic stripper and you should wear protective clothing to avoid overspray
01/27/05 20:55:12 Rod: I drink so much soda that my body naturally neutralizes weverything...
01/27/05 20:55:20 Jessekirchhoff: ha
01/27/05 20:55:34 Indy_Mike: so if you were going to buy a good cleaner for doing decks, what would you buy?
01/27/05 20:55:44 Russell_C: We also recommend drinking water to prevent dehidration
01/27/05 20:55:47 Rod: who?
01/27/05 20:55:58 shadow Logs in [151.213.145.138]
01/27/05 20:56:00 Russell_C: efc-38
01/27/05 20:56:05 Russell_C: Welcome Shadow
01/27/05 20:56:14 Rod: Hello Shadow, who might you be?
01/27/05 20:56:16 shadow: hows it goin
01/27/05 20:56:27 shadow: my name is mike
01/27/05 20:56:28 Jessekirchhoff: great
01/27/05 20:56:30 scottk: only the shadow knows.............lol
01/27/05 20:56:45 shadow: thats right
01/27/05 20:56:56 Rod: Hi mike
01/27/05 20:57:01 Russell_C: Mike, I would really recommend that you get all three so that you are fully armed
01/27/05 20:57:14 Jessekirchhoff: I agree
01/27/05 20:57:19 Rod: so far, talk has been about chems, wood, and protective gear
01/27/05 20:57:26 Russell_C: HD-80, efc-38 and Citralic brightener/neutralizer
01/27/05 20:57:36 BethnRod Logs in [63.158.252.128]
01/27/05 20:57:44 BethnRod: evening all!
01/27/05 20:57:50 Rod: uh, I am already here...Hi hon!
01/27/05 20:57:52 Russell_C: Welcome bethnrod
01/27/05 20:58:07 shadow: I'm new to the biz and i'm so glad that I found this site
01/27/05 20:58:09 BethnRod: its just Beth ;)
01/27/05 20:58:27 shadow: its been really helpful
01/27/05 20:58:27 Russell_C: Great Shadow, have you got any questions for us?
01/27/05 20:58:33 Indy_Mike: where do I find efc?
01/27/05 20:58:45 Rod: Russell is the guest speaker tonight.
01/27/05 20:58:57 scottk: beth sells efc mike...man have you ever been to the TGS store
01/27/05 20:58:59 Russell_C: You can order it through The grime scene
01/27/05 20:59:24 shadow: what sould i run for min gpm i was told 8gpm
01/27/05 20:59:31 Russell_C: Ask Beth about the special!
01/27/05 20:59:40 Russell_C: Shadow, what are you cleaning?
01/27/05 20:59:41 Indy_Mike: *perk* special
01/27/05 21:00:01 Russell_C: Heck yeah, 20% off this next week on bundles
01/27/05 21:00:15 BethnRod: You mean the RED HOT 20% off and free shipping till Feb 5th on Extreme Solutions chems deal?
01/27/05 21:00:29 Jessekirchhoff: Hi Beth.........WHAT A bargin
01/27/05 21:00:33 Russell_C: if you go for the 3 10s you will save about $50.00
01/27/05 21:00:43 shadow: houses and concrete
01/27/05 21:00:51 Russell_C: yeah, and if you go for 3 30's you will get free freight on top of that
01/27/05 21:01:11 Russell_C: Well, some houses have water restrictors Shadow
01/27/05 21:01:24 shadow: all do in ga
01/27/05 21:01:28 Russell_C: You might run into trouble
01/27/05 21:01:39 scottk: where in Ga shadow?
01/27/05 21:01:50 Indy_Mike: Scott, been there to the store, I'm just not good with remembering names & numbers like r2 d2 and c3po :)
01/27/05 21:01:52 Russell_C: Was this a distributor that told you to go with 8gpm?
01/27/05 21:01:53 shadow: north of atlanta
01/27/05 21:01:56 Jessekirchhoff: Sounds like I better stock up now before Russ decides to jack up the prices for 2005
01/27/05 21:02:28 shadow: no a biz owner
01/27/05 21:02:46 Russell_C: Well, 8gpm is nice no doubt, but that is a lot of machine
01/27/05 21:02:50 scottk: since you are new shadow you might wantto att6end 1 of the roundtable meetings in Ga
01/27/05 21:02:57 Russell_C: We run 4 gpm
01/27/05 21:03:18 BethnRod: Does anyone have warm weather?
01/27/05 21:03:26 Russell_C: At 4 gpm we can clean 4 - 500 sq feet per hour
01/27/05 21:03:30 BethnRod: It's going down to 4 here tonight. 4!
01/27/05 21:03:50 Russell_C: That is obsurd!
01/27/05 21:04:15 Rod: 8gpm is only good if you have a tank, most hose ibbs only deliver 3-6 gpm
01/27/05 21:04:16 Russell_C: I think you would be better to get 2 4gpm machines
01/27/05 21:04:28 shadow: I want to come to a roundtable but hows it work
01/27/05 21:04:43 Russell_C: Just show up Shadow
01/27/05 21:04:55 Russell_C: it is all about contractors helping each other
01/27/05 21:05:00 scottk: i'm hosting one in Albany Feb 5th...show up and learn
01/27/05 21:05:03 Rod: Shadow, just attend, and participate.
01/27/05 21:05:09 Russell_C: you are welcome and qualified!
01/27/05 21:05:10 shadow: cool what do we talk about
01/27/05 21:05:18 Rod: beth and I are hosting one feb 12
01/27/05 21:05:27 shadow: where
01/27/05 21:05:33 BethnRod: Germantown MD
01/27/05 21:05:39 Russell_C: getting jobs, bidding jobs, selling jobs, collecting for jobs
01/27/05 21:05:42 Rod: most are open topic unless they have a specific guest speaker.
01/27/05 21:05:53 Russell_C: oh and doing jobs
01/27/05 21:06:24 shadow: so 8 gpm is to much
01/27/05 21:06:29 Indy_Mike: F series wood care kit?
01/27/05 21:06:42 Russell_C: For the work you described (residential) I feel it is.
01/27/05 21:06:58 Rod: yeah, unless you have atank to draw from
01/27/05 21:07:04 Russell_C: I would sugest you go with the Extreme Solutions products
01/27/05 21:07:09 Jessekirchhoff: 8 gpm is an expensive piece of equipment
01/27/05 21:07:17 shadow: well i want to move in to comm.
01/27/05 21:07:30 Rod: we have an 8gpm, but it is dual gun@4gpm/gun
01/27/05 21:07:53 shadow: i have the funds for 1 8gpm setup
01/27/05 21:07:54 Rod: 5-6gpm is more suitable
01/27/05 21:08:05 Indy_Mike: ok i see the sample kit with efc now
01/27/05 21:08:11 Rod: how about for the tank?
01/27/05 21:08:20 scottk: i agree with rod 5-6 is more than enough
01/27/05 21:08:40 shadow: prob 300+
01/27/05 21:09:08 Rod: then go for it, but get a water meter, you may need it
01/27/05 21:09:12 Russell_C: Shadow, you should look at the work you will do with the maching in the first year
01/27/05 21:09:12 shadow: but 8 i can run 2 guns
01/27/05 21:09:23 Jessekirchhoff: I can get you 250 gallon tanks for free if you want to pick them up in Jefferson City Missouri
01/27/05 21:09:37 Rod: Shadow, is your unit set up to run 2 guns?
01/27/05 21:10:00 shadow: i don't have one yet
01/27/05 21:10:19 Rod: understood, but is the one you are referring to set up that way?
01/27/05 21:10:26 shadow: i have one by next week
01/27/05 21:10:36 shadow: yes
01/27/05 21:10:49 scottk: are you looking at a skid unit shadow
01/27/05 21:10:57 shadow: yes
01/27/05 21:10:58 scottk: ???
01/27/05 21:11:01 Rod: ok, then you are thinking of how you are going to make your production by now...
01/27/05 21:11:06 scottk: price???
01/27/05 21:11:33 Rod: 2 man team.
01/27/05 21:11:36 Jessekirchhoff Disconnects
01/27/05 21:11:41 scottk: of the unit you want to buy?
01/27/05 21:11:51 shadow: yes 2 man teaaaaaaam
01/27/05 21:12:08 Russell_C: $4999.00
01/27/05 21:12:29 shadow: $10000
01/27/05 21:12:39 Russell_C: Call me tomorrow!
01/27/05 21:12:43 BethnRod: Mike are you doing decks out there?
01/27/05 21:12:57 Rod: 7500.00 for a hydrotek we got...
01/27/05 21:13:03 shadow: thats wwith everything
01/27/05 21:13:04 scottk: wow...i paid under $4ooo.oo for our largo unit delivered
01/27/05 21:13:21 scottk: 5.5gpm/3500psi 180degree hot water
01/27/05 21:13:22 shadow: but 8 gpm
01/27/05 21:13:23 Russell_C: Shadow, I would like to talk with you
01/27/05 21:13:37 Rod: 3stack hose reels, 225gal tank and the unit
01/27/05 21:13:41 Russell_C: Can you tell me who you are working with now?
01/27/05 21:13:44 JesseKirchhoff Logs in [12.215.229.90]
01/27/05 21:13:56 Russell_C: Welcome back Jesse
01/27/05 21:14:02 JesseKirchhoff: Thanks
01/27/05 21:14:05 BethnRod: Hi Jesse
01/27/05 21:14:09 Rod: hey jesse, watch that snow and ice, it can slide you out of the chat room :)
01/27/05 21:14:35 JesseKirchhoff: So can the eraser at the bottom of the screen
01/27/05 21:14:36 scottk: you can but 2- 5.5 gallon skid or teh price of 1 8gpm machine
01/27/05 21:14:48 BethnRod: *meow*
01/27/05 21:14:52 JesseKirchhoff: *)
01/27/05 21:15:01 scottk: you can buy
01/27/05 21:15:19 Rod: He will save room though
01/27/05 21:15:28 shadow: no one but i got a guy who is doing lots com. work thats going to help me when i get my unit
01/27/05 21:15:54 Rod: good deal
01/27/05 21:15:55 Russell_C: Who is helping you purchase the equipment?
01/27/05 21:16:19 shadow: i was told 8 gpm is the way to go
01/27/05 21:16:29 scottk: that's true rod......i just knwo with Angela and i working i need her free to pull hoses and mix chems when we are on a job
01/27/05 21:16:41 shadow: ga chem.
01/27/05 21:17:02 JesseKirchhoff: Hey Russ....tell us about the new Wood Tux packaging for contractors.
01/27/05 21:17:19 scottk: shadow they are going to say anythingto sell you a higher priced machine...after all they are salesmen
01/27/05 21:18:05 Russell_C: What about it Jesse?
01/27/05 21:18:24 shadow: this was not a saleman who told me
01/27/05 21:18:26 JesseKirchhoff: Warm Honey Gold?
01/27/05 21:18:40 Rod: while supplies last lol
01/27/05 21:19:04 shadow: and its a hot water setup
01/27/05 21:19:17 Rod: Hot is best for commercial cleaing
01/27/05 21:19:18 scottk: it's your money and business
01/27/05 21:19:20 Russell_C: It will be available in 5 gallon pails and also in bulk by special order. There will also be tint kits available this year so you can custum mix any color you like
01/27/05 21:19:38 JesseKirchhoff: Wow
01/27/05 21:19:53 shadow: this is a setup with hoses and 30" surface cleaner
01/27/05 21:19:53 scottk: we do 8 Mickey D's and Applebee's and Hooter monthly with a 5.5gpm hotwater skid
01/27/05 21:20:27 BethnRod: anyone doing a home show this spring?
01/27/05 21:20:36 Russell_C: I am
01/27/05 21:20:38 shadow: how many guns are u runnig
01/27/05 21:20:50 scottk: i built our rig with hoses surface cleaner,trailer tank everything ready to work for under $8k
01/27/05 21:20:53 scottk: one gun
01/27/05 21:21:08 JesseKirchhoff Logs Out
01/27/05 21:21:08 shadow: so are u going back w cold unit for rense
01/27/05 21:21:13 shadow: rinse
01/27/05 21:21:28 JesseKirchhoff Logs in [12.215.229.90]
01/27/05 21:21:38 scottk: we do the Mickey D's(3700 sq ft average) in 2hours 15 minutes
01/27/05 21:21:38 Rod: thers that ice again Jesse
01/27/05 21:21:55 JesseKirchhoff: Sorry....My fingers are to big
01/27/05 21:21:55 Russell_C: Jesse is having connection issues
01/27/05 21:21:59 shadow: how much do u charge a sq
01/27/05 21:22:25 Indy_Mike: how far does a 10 gal tub of efc get me?
01/27/05 21:22:26 shadow: what area r u in
01/27/05 21:22:36 scottk: on commercial the cost is lower than residential...commercial .05 to .10 a sq ft
01/27/05 21:22:43 Russell_C: 1500 square feet
01/27/05 21:22:53 scottk: residential .10 to .25
01/27/05 21:22:55 Russell_C: whoa, thats not right
01/27/05 21:23:00 shadow: that is what i was told by the person that is helping me get info together
01/27/05 21:23:08 Russell_C: Mike the correct answer is 3000 sq feet
01/27/05 21:23:25 Indy_Mike: ok thanks
01/27/05 21:23:39 shadow: what is efc
01/27/05 21:23:49 Russell_C: Mike, that is if you have to use it full stregnth, on most jobs you can cut back
01/27/05 21:24:01 Russell_C: It is a heavy duty wood cleaner
01/27/05 21:24:08 shadow: for decks?
01/27/05 21:24:08 BethnRod: EFC is a percarb used for wood care. :)
01/27/05 21:24:14 JesseKirchhoff: on cedar siding you can cut way back
01/27/05 21:24:25 Russell_C: efc-38 was designed to clean wood and remove most semitransparent finishes
01/27/05 21:24:44 scottk: not tryingto talk you out of buying the equipment....just trying to shwo you theer is another way and it's just as efficient
01/27/05 21:25:31 shadow: when u guys are talking to mc d and the like are u having any trouble talking to hte owners or r u having to go thru several people to get to the right one
01/27/05 21:25:31 JesseKirchhoff: using the right chems is the secret......saves a bunch on labor
01/27/05 21:25:44 shadow: the owners
01/27/05 21:26:09 scottk: i deal with the owner.....we started with district manager
01/27/05 21:26:28 shadow: kul
01/27/05 21:26:32 scottk: they are the lowest level managemen t that can hire you
01/27/05 21:27:06 shadow: r any of u familar with any types of city or county laws ect that require periodic cleaning
01/27/05 21:27:16 scottk: i wish you would drive down to albany next weekend before you buy any equipment
01/27/05 21:27:22 JesseKirchhoff: Hey Russ...hows that Wood Tux Wet coming?
01/27/05 21:27:29 shadow: where in albany
01/27/05 21:27:36 Russell_C: Ready for spring
01/27/05 21:27:47 scottk: Hooters 10 am Feb 5th
01/27/05 21:27:53 JesseKirchhoff: Fantastic :D
01/27/05 21:28:20 scottk: teh info is posted on the main bb of TGS
01/27/05 21:28:22 scottk: the
01/27/05 21:28:25 shadow: i am scooot k also and am typing for shadow and myself sso if i am asking requestions i am sorry
01/27/05 21:28:57 shadow: and i am a little faster but wiht more mistakes
01/27/05 21:29:02 scottk: lol
01/27/05 21:29:03 shadow: with
01/27/05 21:29:08 Indy_Mike: shadow, will you clean decks?
01/27/05 21:29:14 shadow: yes
01/27/05 21:29:26 Indy_Mike: any questions about it?
01/27/05 21:29:33 Indy_Mike: Russ is very knowledgeable
01/27/05 21:29:33 shadow: is it better to do decks w cold or hot
01/27/05 21:29:58 Russell_C: Cold
01/27/05 21:29:59 shadow: this is a great chat thanks for all of ur help
01/27/05 21:30:05 shadow: why
01/27/05 21:30:25 shadow: because of the expansion of the wood?
01/27/05 21:30:25 Russell_C: Hot water can cause the natural sugars in the wood to rise to the surface
01/27/05 21:30:32 Rod: hot saftens the wood and makes it easier to dig out the heart wood, causeing a raised grain effect.
01/27/05 21:30:41 shadow: i would have never guessd that
01/27/05 21:30:46 Russell_C: It is best to maintain the sugars as they help to maintain the woods integrity
01/27/05 21:30:52 shadow: good to know
01/27/05 21:31:15 shadow: do u mostly sell a sealer with all of your deck cleanings
01/27/05 21:31:26 Russell_C: We do yes
01/27/05 21:31:32 shadow: what type if so
01/27/05 21:31:41 shadow: and how do u apply
01/27/05 21:32:07 Russell_C: We apply the Wood-Tux by a combination of spray and back pad/brush
01/27/05 21:32:19 shadow: why the pad brush
01/27/05 21:32:27 Russell_C: sometimes if it is windy we just pad or brush
01/27/05 21:32:36 scottk: shadow look under regional news and events for the roundtable info(southeat region)
01/27/05 21:32:41 shadow: makes since
01/27/05 21:32:48 Russell_C: It helps to disturb any surface dust and drive the product into the wood
01/27/05 21:32:59 Russell_C: it also helps prevent drips and puddling
01/27/05 21:33:03 shadow: already did and i hope i can make it but may have other obligations
01/27/05 21:33:26 shadow: what area r u guys in?
01/27/05 21:33:37 Russell_C: I am located in the St Louis market
01/27/05 21:33:41 shadow: i am starting in jackson co
01/27/05 21:34:01 shadow: cold weather hitting u hard yet?
01/27/05 21:34:08 shadow: jackson co ga
01/27/05 21:34:25 Russell_C: I am too busy to be cold
01/27/05 21:34:33 Indy_Mike > BethnRod: read john t's post?
01/27/05 21:34:41 Russell_C: It has been a mild winter actually
01/27/05 21:34:42 shadow: how do u store a unit for a period
01/27/05 21:34:55 scottk: worth co Ga...we are 20 minutes from albany
01/27/05 21:35:01 Russell_C: There is a winterization process
01/27/05 21:35:21 shadow: how long does a unit have to sit to make it necc
01/27/05 21:35:40 Russell_C: well if it is not going to freexe you do not have to winterize
01/27/05 21:35:44 shadow: if i go on vacition do i need to winterize
01/27/05 21:35:53 Russell_C: but you do not want to let gas sit in it for over 60 days
01/27/05 21:35:57 shadow: i w3ill keep it in a grage
01/27/05 21:36:01 shadow: gurage
01/27/05 21:36:05 shadow: dang
01/27/05 21:36:08 Russell_C: does it ever freeze?
01/27/05 21:36:12 shadow: that patio thing
01/27/05 21:36:17 shadow: yes
01/27/05 21:36:27 shadow: but never very often
01/27/05 21:36:32 Russell_C: then you want to winterize it every night
01/27/05 21:37:01 shadow: three days of 32 degree weather is a cold spell and the citys start shut down schoools
01/27/05 21:37:12 Russell_C: Oh, gotcha
01/27/05 21:37:14 shadow: what do u need to do every night in the cold
01/27/05 21:37:26 Russell_C: well, a heating pad on cold nights should get you through
01/27/05 21:37:34 shadow: good idea
01/27/05 21:37:41 shadow: just around the pump?
01/27/05 21:37:44 Russell_C: It would be difficult to explain in this format
01/27/05 21:37:51 Russell_C: yes, around the pump
01/27/05 21:38:18 Russell_C: Would everyone like to hear the winterization process?
01/27/05 21:38:47 shadow: if u would like to tralk to me u can send an e mail to djshadow1191@aol.com and i will give u my phjone ort u can give urs
01/27/05 21:38:53 shadow: talk
01/27/05 21:39:03 shadow: c what i mean about n=more mistakes
01/27/05 21:39:06 shadow: more
01/27/05 21:39:15 Russell_C: You can call me at 636-899-1769 and I will be happy to talk you through it
01/27/05 21:39:25 shadow: thanks
01/27/05 21:39:32 Russell_C: Give me a call tomorrow
01/27/05 21:39:34 shadow: wirtting it down
01/27/05 21:39:36 Russell_C: or whenever
01/27/05 21:39:41 shadow: when
01/27/05 21:39:50 Russell_C: Anytime
01/27/05 21:39:52 shadow: u said u were in st louis
01/27/05 21:33:00 Russell_C: Yes
01/27/05 21:33:17 shadow: 1 hr time diff i will call u tomorrow ( shadow)
01/27/05 21:33:31 Russell_C: Great
01/27/05 21:33:33 shadow: he sleeps till noon our time so dont expect it in the am
01/27/05 21:33:49 Russell_C: Mike, were you able to find the cleaners you were looking for?
01/27/05 21:34:10 Indy_Mike Logs Out
01/27/05 21:34:35 scottk Logs Out
01/27/05 21:34:39 Russell_C: I guess I will never know
01/27/05 21:34:49 Russell_C: And good bye to scott
01/27/05 21:35:17 Russell_C: Alright, whats next?
01/27/05 21:35:53 shadow: whats the best surface cleaner out there
01/27/05 21:36:09 Russell_C: I like the Big guy
01/27/05 21:36:10 Rod: Time for me to go nitey~~
01/27/05 21:36:28 Russell_C: But I guess that depends on what you are looking for
01/27/05 21:36:32 BethnRod: have fun guys
01/27/05 21:36:40 shadow: 28 in right
01/27/05 21:36:42 Russell_C: Steel Eagle has the highes quality that I have seen
01/27/05 21:36:45 Rod: Shadow, the one that gives you the least problems lol
01/27/05 21:36:46 BethnRod Logs Out
01/27/05 21:36:54 Rod: nite all~
01/27/05 21:37:00 Russell_C: Bye guys!
01/27/05 21:37:10 shadow: call u
01/27/05 21:37:19 Rod Logs Out
01/27/05 21:37:40 Russell_C: Alright, it's just us 3
01/27/05 21:37:53 Russell_C: And I think Jesse is sleeping
01/27/05 21:38:03 Russell_C: Jesse. . .wake up
01/27/05 21:38:40 Russell_C: Well Shadow did you have any other questions this evening?
01/27/05 21:38:59 JesseKirchhoff: huh..what...?
01/27/05 21:39:08 shadow: no i'll call u for the rest
01/27/05 21:39:18 JesseKirchhoff: I have lots of questions
01/27/05 21:39:20 Russell_C: No problem
01/27/05 21:39:32 Russell_C: What can we help you with Jesse?
01/27/05 21:39:49 shadow: thanks for all your help i can't thank u enough
01/27/05 21:40:13 JesseKirchhoff: Did you sell anything?
01/27/05 21:40:20 Russell_C: Just work with integrity and don't low ball your competition and that will be thanks enough
01/27/05 21:40:42 JesseKirchhoff: And use Wood Tux
01/27/05 21:40:46 Russell_C: Oh, and buy all of your wood care products from a qualified Extreme Solutions, Inc. rep!
01/27/05 21:41:02 shadow: nite i'm out of here
01/27/05 21:41:11 JesseKirchhoff: Good Night
01/27/05 21:41:12 shadow: will do
01/27/05 21:41:13 Russell_C: Good Night and good luck!
01/27/05 21:41:14 scottk Logs in [68.154.64.236]
01/27/05 21:41:20 shadow Logs Out
01/27/05 21:41:23 Russell_C: Welcome back scott
01/27/05 21:41:29 scottk: ty
01/27/05 21:41:31 JesseKirchhoff: Welcome
01/27/05 21:41:36 scottk: hi Jesse
01/27/05 21:41:45 JesseKirchhoff: Hello
01/27/05 21:41:49 scottk: Russell did you overload shadows brain
01/27/05 21:41:57 Russell_C: I might have
01/27/05 21:42:07 JesseKirchhoff: He is good at that
01/27/05 21:42:18 scottk: i hope they will come to my RT on the 5th...i think they could learn alot
01/27/05 21:42:38 Russell_C: I am trying to get people to take advantage of the special on ESI products right now
01/27/05 21:42:58 Russell_C: They have never offered as much of a disscount
01/27/05 21:43:07 JesseKirchhoff: and not doing a very good job
01/27/05 21:43:18 Russell_C: when I say they, I should say we
01/27/05 21:43:26 Russell_C: Scott, I am with ESI
01/27/05 21:43:33 scottk: we have been using Steve Rowletts chems for a year...but we are always looking for additional chem for teh arsenal
01/27/05 21:43:50 JesseKirchhoff: You are in the right place
01/27/05 21:43:51 Russell_C: This would be a great time to check them out
01/27/05 21:43:53 scottk: i knew Russell...what happened you the website
01/27/05 21:44:06 scottk: last time i checked it was down
01/27/05 21:44:07 JesseKirchhoff: I stole it
01/27/05 21:44:08 Russell_C: 20% off and free shipping when you buy all 3
01/27/05 21:44:16 Russell_C: We are re working it
01/27/05 21:44:20 Russell_C: taking off the store
01/27/05 21:44:24 scottk: that is a good deal
01/27/05 21:44:50 Russell_C: we are taking down the store in an effort to help support our distributors
01/27/05 21:44:57 JesseKirchhoff: good man
01/27/05 21:45:03 scottk: that's generous
01/27/05 21:45:09 Russell_C: Especially if you buy the 30s and there is no limit
01/27/05 21:45:31 Russell_C: I think a couple guys are going to buy several months worth now
01/27/05 21:45:45 JesseKirchhoff: Good idea
01/27/05 21:46:04 JesseKirchhoff: free shiping saves $20 a pop
01/27/05 21:46:33 Russell_C: Did you have any other questions Scott?
01/27/05 21:46:48 Russell_C: This is turning into an infomercial
01/27/05 21:46:49 scottk: naw
01/27/05 21:46:52 scottk: lol
01/27/05 21:47:43 Russell_C: Well, thank you for joining us this evening
01/27/05 21:47:55 JesseKirchhoff: where are you going?
01/27/05 21:47:57 scottk: we like the dry chems because we can carry more on the trailer...but the RPC stuff has been good to us...and steve is a friend so i try to stay loyal to him
01/27/05 21:48:14 Russell_C: I can understand that!
01/27/05 21:48:20 Russell_C: Loyalty is important
01/27/05 21:48:34 JesseKirchhoff: Try Russ's product...if you dont like it he will refund your money
01/27/05 21:48:58 scottk: but if we come across chems that will benefit us we'll try them
01/27/05 21:49:05 Russell_C: Well, not me personally! but they do all carry a 100% satisfaction guarentee
01/27/05 21:49:29 JesseKirchhoff: I use a half a bucket and send the rest back all the time under different names
01/27/05 21:49:39 scottk: lol
01/27/05 21:49:54 Russell_C: That is just the kind of thing I like to mention in the monday meeting!
01/27/05 21:49:55 JesseKirchhoff: did I say that out loud?
01/27/05 21:50:41 Russell_C: Jesse is a plague on the industry!
01/27/05 21:51:09 Russell_C: Oh, did I say that out loud?
01/27/05 21:51:14 JesseKirchhoff: yes
01/27/05 21:51:35 scottk: guys it's been fun...have a great nite
01/27/05 21:51:43 scottk Logs Out
01/27/05 21:51:53 Russell_C: You too Scott. I look forward to working with you in the comming months
01/27/05 21:52:06 Russell_C: I am out of here as well
01/27/05 21:52:08 JesseKirchhoff: he cant hear you
01/27/05 21:52:13 Russell_C: Have a great evening Jesse
01/27/05 21:52:20 Russell_C: I will talk with you tomorrow
01/27/05 21:52:29 JesseKirchhoff: you to Russ........see you this weekend
01/27/05 21:52:37 Russell_C Logs Out
01/27/05 21:52:46 JesseKirchhoff Logs Out