Wood Chat Transcript 9/14/05

[Beth n Rod]

09/14/05 19:27:58 Jeffrey_Robison Logs in [68.223.4.179]

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09/14/05 19:37:43 Jeffrey_Robison: hello?

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09/14/05 19:53:21 Henry Logs in [69.244.67.38]

09/14/05 19:53:30 Henry: Hey Russell!

09/14/05 19:53:54 Henry: Well it figures... I missed the chat..LOL

09/14/05 19:54:19 Henry: Give me a call if you like at home. 301-353-9234

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09/14/05 19:58:14 Russell_C: Welcome to Wood-Chat

09/14/05 20:00:46 JonFife Logs in [72.47.12.222]

09/14/05 20:01:03 JonFife: test

09/14/05 20:01:34 JonFife: testing

09/14/05 20:01:40 Russell_C: Welcome Jon

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09/14/05 20:03:53 scottk Logs in [68.217.211.188]

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09/14/05 20:04:49 JonFife Logs in [72.47.12.222]

09/14/05 20:04:55 Russell_C: Welcome back

09/14/05 20:05:28 JonFife: thanks.....where is every

09/14/05 20:05:45 Russell_C: Not so sure

09/14/05 20:05:56 BethnRod Logs in [4.185.126.14]

09/14/05 20:06:13 BethnRod: Evening all

09/14/05 20:06:43 JonFife: hello *evil*

09/14/05 20:06:55 JonFife: whoa

09/14/05 20:06:58 BethnRod: How's it going Jon?

09/14/05 20:07:06 BethnRod: Good seeing you.

09/14/05 20:07:16 JonFife: Never done this.....playing with all the buttons

09/14/05 20:07:24 JonFife: doing fine, thanks

09/14/05 20:07:30 BethnRod: THe controls can be fun

09/14/05 20:07:53 JonFife: you guys busy

09/14/05 20:08:00 BethnRod: Hey - loved the conversation in the thread.

09/14/05 20:08:06 Jeffrey_Robison Logs in [67.34.245.192]

09/14/05 20:08:16 BethnRod: yeah we are slammed - I'm home with a cold tho...

09/14/05 20:08:17 Russell_C: Welcome Jeff

09/14/05 20:08:19 JonFife: yep--good stuff.

09/14/05 20:08:33 Jeffrey_Robison: hello

09/14/05 20:08:37 JonFife: we sure are some passionate woodies, are we not?? :)

09/14/05 20:08:40 BethnRod: You busy Jon?

09/14/05 20:08:45 JonFife: Hey jeff

09/14/05 20:08:51 BethnRod: Hi Jeff

09/14/05 20:09:23 Russell_C: I think for this week we will just keep things loose

09/14/05 20:09:26 Jeffrey_Robison: I am an absolute novice when it comes to wood cleaning, restoration

09/14/05 20:09:30 JonFife: prett y busy...lots in the works (growth related moreso)

09/14/05 20:09:50 Russell_C: If any one would like to talk about presenting bid and how to win at the closing table

fire away!

09/14/05 20:09:53 BethnRod: How are the log homes this year?

09/14/05 20:10:05 JonFife: Jeff---wierd biz, some love it, some hate it

09/14/05 20:10:16 Russell_C: Jeff - have you got any questions?

09/14/05 20:10:21 BethnRod: We love wood. We hate hoods.

09/14/05 20:10:35 JonFife: You guys do hoods??

09/14/05 20:10:42 BethnRod: Did - past tense.

09/14/05 20:10:48 JonFife: ahhh

09/14/05 20:11:01 JonFife: spread too thin??

09/14/05 20:11:09 BethnRod: I like to sleep at night, and I hate the smell of cooking grease

09/14/05 20:11:10 Jeffrey_Robison: I think I am more along the lines of hating it! Just curious, as I have had more

interest lately with the Wood Tux wet... Being able to knock everything out in one day

09/14/05 20:11:32 tropicalwave Logs in [24.13.142.208]

09/14/05 20:11:52 JonFife: oh great, the cops showed up

09/14/05 20:12:03 BethnRod: lol

09/14/05 20:12:06 tropicalwave: nice jon, nice

09/14/05 20:12:10 Russell_C: What is your question?

09/14/05 20:12:22 Jeffrey_Robison: I am a part timer and the back and forth is not really appealing to me.

09/14/05 20:12:35 Russell_C: I understand that

09/14/05 20:12:40 BethnRod: Then you migh tlike the wtw.

09/14/05 20:12:52 JonFife: what size of decks in your market??

09/14/05 20:13:12 JonFife: atl probably like Nashville, most two story

09/14/05 20:13:18 Jeffrey_Robison: If asked to just do a cleaning with a house wash, what is my best bet? A

percarbonate and light rinse?

09/14/05 20:13:42 JonFife: safest and easiest, yes

09/14/05 20:13:46 Jeffrey_Robison: There are some absolutely huge huge decks here in Atl.

09/14/05 20:13:48 Russell_C: Jeff is it a wood sided house?

09/14/05 20:14:17 Russell_C: Atlanta is a great market for wood!

09/14/05 20:14:27 Jeffrey_Robison: Mostly vinyl or hardi plank type siding. Very little cedar. a lot of brick

09/14/05 20:14:28 JonFife: work at least 10 months

09/14/05 20:14:36 flimmy11 Logs in [141.151.166.6]

09/14/05 20:14:46 BethnRod: Hi Scott

09/14/05 20:14:52 Russell_C: Hello Scott

09/14/05 20:15:18 Jeffrey_Robison: Do you typically apply with a pump up or x-jet?

09/14/05 20:15:24 flimmy11: Hi , guys and gals. I missed last week :(

09/14/05 20:15:35 JonFife: Jeff--if don't want to spread too thin, might consider giving stain job away

09/14/05 20:15:39 DonPhelps Logs in [67.34.142.162]

09/14/05 20:15:45 JonFife: just wash decks

09/14/05 20:15:51 Jeffrey_Robison: ?

09/14/05 20:16:24 JonFife: sub out staining,

09/14/05 20:16:34 Russell_C: Welcome Don

09/14/05 20:16:38 JonFife: less equipment for a part timer

09/14/05 20:16:56 Jeffrey_Robison: I have thought of that. Sun Brite is 5 miles from my house and Cujo is in the

area

09/14/05 20:17:01 JonFife: Hello Don

09/14/05 20:17:12 DonPhelps: Thank, no woody here, just trying to learn a few things.....lol!

09/14/05 20:17:13 JonFife: There ya go, call cujo

09/14/05 20:17:17 DonPhelps: thanks!

09/14/05 20:17:33 tropicalwave: jon, less equipment? a brush !!

09/14/05 20:17:44 JonFife: YOU brush decks???

09/14/05 20:18:12 tropicalwave: kidding.....brush some spots though

09/14/05 20:18:13 JonFife: equivalent to Chinese water torture

09/14/05 20:18:39 Jeffrey_Robison: Don a quick roof cleaning question. I am doing a huge house this weekend, he

only has two spots that have mold on the roof. Just x-jet 12% and let it dwell and rinse from ground?

09/14/05 20:20:06 Jeffrey_Robison: I don't want to interupt the wood professionals, pardon me for asking

09/14/05 20:20:12 DonPhelps: xjet will probably take more than one application and you'll need to watch out for

blowing overspray on cars, etc.

09/14/05 20:20:28 Jeffrey_Robison: thanks

09/14/05 20:20:44 Russell_C: Jeff, feel free

09/14/05 20:20:59 JonFife: lapse was because none of us knew, LOL

09/14/05 20:21:20 Jeffrey_Robison: Can wood tux be used any most types of wood? Any that it is not advised on?

09/14/05 20:21:27 DonPhelps: lol, trust me...the wood thing is just as greek to me.

09/14/05 20:21:44 tropicalwave: russ, beth, rod....i saw your wtw western cedar color deck...since wtw comes in whg

and it needs tinting, did you name the color yourself or is x amount of red drops per 5 gallon makes western cedar

etc etc

09/14/05 20:21:45 JonFife: Russ, why

09/14/05 20:22:01 JonFife: Russ, why the tint system as opposed to colors??

09/14/05 20:22:27 JonFife: Q too broad for this type of forum

09/14/05 20:22:41 Russell_C: Mostly because the colors are sort of a pain

09/14/05 20:22:53 JonFife: For esi or contractor?

09/14/05 20:23:08 Russell_C: Ha ha!

09/14/05 20:23:13 Russell_C: both!

09/14/05 20:23:29 JonFife: really??

09/14/05 20:23:31 Russell_C: I prefer the one color system for sure!

09/14/05 20:23:40 Russell_C: most often WHG looks best

09/14/05 20:23:51 JonFife: I've use tint systems.......

09/14/05 20:23:55 Russell_C: Brown Sugar was made for lighter and older wood

09/14/05 20:24:03 Jeffrey_Robison: What is the base color, does it look good by itself?

09/14/05 20:24:08 JonFife: Menwood, Wood Iron, Renegade

09/14/05 20:24:10 Russell_C: I know they are nothing nice!

09/14/05 20:24:23 Russell_C: Warm honey gold looks great!

09/14/05 20:24:34 JonFife: I think some love tint system, some hate

09/14/05 20:24:36 Russell_C: Jon, I think we are a bit easier to mix

09/14/05 20:24:44 Russell_C: much much harder to mess up

09/14/05 20:24:59 Russell_C: There is only black and red

09/14/05 20:25:10 Russell_C: black is added by the ML

09/14/05 20:25:20 Russell_C: we provide a 3 ML dropper

09/14/05 20:25:30 Russell_C: Red is added by the OZ

09/14/05 20:25:33 JonFife: ........put in too much black........what of that 5'er?

09/14/05 20:25:44 JonFife: can y

09/14/05 20:25:48 tropicalwave: add another 5

09/14/05 20:25:53 Russell_C: put in 3 squirts and walk away!

09/14/05 20:26:06 JonFife: can you use the other colors to reverse it??

09/14/05 20:26:10 Russell_C: 3 squirts and you've got brown sugar

09/14/05 20:26:21 Russell_C: it is a ratio system so yes

09/14/05 20:26:47 Russell_C: Here is our thinking. . .

09/14/05 20:26:50 JonFife: .....so you turn it to brown sugar, theoretically

09/14/05 20:27:01 Russell_C: jon yes

09/14/05 20:27:02 JonFife: could you turn it back to whg???

09/14/05 20:27:11 Russell_C: nope

09/14/05 20:27:26 Russell_C: but you could add WHG to reduce the intensity of the black

09/14/05 20:27:34 Russell_C: Here is our thinking

09/14/05 20:27:48 Russell_C: If you sell a "color" you have to match that color

09/14/05 20:28:04 JonFife: .....good point

09/14/05 20:28:10 Russell_C: If you look at the wood and you know the look they want it is real easy to make them

happy

09/14/05 20:28:34 Russell_C: If they say they like a red look and the have red cedar wood. . .do nothing

09/14/05 20:28:48 Russell_C: if they say they like a red look and they have lighter wood, add red.

09/14/05 20:28:52 Russell_C: don't over think it

09/14/05 20:29:21 Russell_C: if they like cedar and the wood is yellow or white add a squirt of black

09/14/05 20:29:42 Russell_C: you are just toneing it out to look the way you want

09/14/05 20:29:57 Russell_C: 80% of the time Warm Honey Gold is all you need

09/14/05 20:30:14 JonFife: s'pose the contractor could come up with his own standard customs

09/14/05 20:30:31 JonFife: yeah, that really is the perfect color imo

09/14/05 20:30:41 Russell_C: Do that and we will custom blend them for you per your order

09/14/05 20:30:55 Russell_C: And we can put your company label on them

09/14/05 20:31:28 JonFife: .....think we ran everyone off.....

09/14/05 20:31:32 Jeffrey_Robison > DonPhelps: What happened with Cleaner Network? You never post anymore

09/14/05 20:31:59 flimmy11: Would we have to suply the labels ?

09/14/05 20:32:11 Russell_C: No, just the design

09/14/05 20:32:27 JonFife: .....the good thing about a syst

09/14/05 20:32:27 tropicalwave: does esi have any wtw brochures, showing the different colors that can be made?

09/14/05 20:32:30 Russell_C: or you can just change the name and use our label

09/14/05 20:32:32 flimmy11: cool

09/14/05 20:32:42 Russell_C: No color chart

09/14/05 20:32:48 tropicalwave: ok

09/14/05 20:32:51 JonFife: good thing wou

09/14/05 20:32:54 Russell_C: you cane make an infinate number of colors

09/14/05 20:32:59 JonFife: dang

09/14/05 20:33:11 Russell_C: I can provide some basic measurements for some basic colors

09/14/05 20:33:18 JonFife: good think would be the ability to buy in drums, since all one color

09/14/05 20:33:31 Russell_C: and if you show me a color I can work out the tint ratio for you

09/14/05 20:34:02 Russell_C: Jon, we do drums

09/14/05 20:34:17 Russell_C: Saves you a little $$ too

09/14/05 20:34:35 Russell_C: We do not stock them so you have to order in advance

09/14/05 20:34:56 JonFife: Did you

09/14/05 20:35:14 JonFife: did you guys ever get the "cling" product created??

09/14/05 20:35:31 tropicalwave: is there any literature that would be left with a potential customer, just a

brochure that "sells" itself to the homeowner while they muddle over the estimate?

09/14/05 20:35:32 Russell_C: Hand time?

09/14/05 20:35:41 Russell_C: Yeah, it is hillarious

09/14/05 20:35:57 JonFife: ?

09/14/05 20:35:57 Russell_C: works great but it takes a bit of getting used to

09/14/05 20:36:02 JonFife: ?

09/14/05 20:36:10 Russell_C: performs as billed

09/14/05 20:36:13 JonFife: Turns to gel??

09/14/05 20:36:16 BethnRod: Hnag time...thickener

09/14/05 20:36:22 BethnRod: I can't type tonight

09/14/05 20:36:28 Russell_C: but go a little too much and you have caustic jello

09/14/05 20:36:40 JonFife: ..Like Stripex

09/14/05 20:36:48 BethnRod: yeah you can buy a gallon, abd be set for years with the stuff.

09/14/05 20:37:54 JonFife: you guys

09/14/05 20:37:55 JonFife: o

09/14/05 20:37:57 Russell_C: Jon you can go as thick as you like

09/14/05 20:38:01 JonFife: you

09/14/05 20:38:05 JonFife: you

09/14/05 20:38:16 Russell_C: it only takes a couple oz per gallon

09/14/05 20:38:20 JonFife: you guys doing many h

09/14/05 20:38:26 JonFife: houses Beth?

09/14/05 20:39:48 BethnRod: Yes, we are doing a good number of them.

09/14/05 20:39:57 BethnRod: Log, cedar, and redwood.

09/14/05 20:40:53 JonFife: just got a bid yesterday in a resort, bout a hundred cabins (not doing all of them)

09/14/05 20:41:07 BethnRod: Way cool. Hope you get it!

09/14/05 20:41:09 Russell_C: Nice Jon!

09/14/05 20:41:16 Russell_C: What size?

09/14/05 20:41:23 JonFife: Right now just rot repairs,

09/14/05 20:41:40 BethnRod: Good to know you do those. Do you travel for them?

09/14/05 20:41:41 JonFife: most about 22x25

09/14/05 20:42:02 JonFife: yeah, not me personally

09/14/05 20:42:11 JonFife: very fun

09/14/05 20:42:18 BethnRod: how far? Sometime we get calls for that and need to refer it out

09/14/05 20:42:36 JonFife: Sure, send 'em on!

09/14/05 20:42:57 BethnRod: do you have travel limits?

09/14/05 20:43:31 JonFife: ...just lost a bid in upstate NY......so no, I don't

09/14/05 20:43:50 BethnRod: Good to know. I'll keep yopu in mind for that

09/14/05 20:44:24 flimmy11: Jon , do you travel to look at them first , or bid on just pic's or ?

09/14/05 20:44:41 JonFife: depends, have to see rot

09/14/05 20:44:59 JonFife: resto's i can bid pics, if average house

09/14/05 20:45:03 Jeffrey_Robison: Another off subject question since it seems slow. Anyone recover their water on

commercial? If so what system would you recommend or not recommend.

09/14/05 20:47:45 BethnRod: Yeah, we have run into ta few we have passed on due to rot and extremem insect

infestation issues.

09/14/05 20:48:07 BethnRod: ugh. sorry - can't type tonight

09/14/05 20:48:11 JonFife: definitely a growth industry

09/14/05 20:48:39 BethnRod: Jeff, recovery is a tricky subject.

09/14/05 20:48:53 BethnRod: what are you goign to wash?

09/14/05 20:49:23 JonFife: Great time!! I'll have to do again sometime, good night everybody,

09/14/05 20:49:28 JonFife Logs Out

09/14/05 20:49:49 Jeffrey_Robison: Concrete, buildings you name it. Going to the recovery class down here and

trying to gather information.

09/14/05 20:50:28 BethnRod: That's a great place to start.

09/14/05 20:51:18 Jeffrey_Robison: The market is truly wide open for a few companies to come in and make a killing.

I just wonder how much additional you can really charge?

09/14/05 20:53:16 Jeffrey_Robison: Good Night everyone.

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09/14/05 20:53:27 DonPhelps: Later Jeff!

09/14/05 20:53:51 Russell_C: So anyone have any tips for presenting the bid?

09/14/05 20:55:21 BethnRod Logs Out

09/14/05 20:55:27 flimmy11 Logs Out

09/14/05 20:55:32 Russell_C: You've done the work, you've got all the numbers, you bid it high. How do you close

the deal?

09/14/05 20:57:03 Russell_C: Ok, well thanks for joining!

09/14/05 20:57:18 Russell_C: I look forward to next weeks wood chat

09/14/05 20:58:09 tropicalwave: you tell me russ

09/14/05 20:58:46 tonyc Logs in [68.42.235.8]

09/14/05 20:58:49 Russell_C: Tell you what?

09/14/05 20:59:00 Russell_C: My secret for closing the deal?

09/14/05 20:59:06 tropicalwave: how to close the deal

09/14/05 20:59:10 tropicalwave: yup

09/14/05 20:59:32 Russell_C: Oh you would like that!

09/14/05 20:59:43 Russell_C: One thing I have found that works. . .

09/14/05 21:00:16 tropicalwave: lol, ive lost jobs being too high, and ive had folks tell me I ned to charge more,

after ive completed the job of course

09/14/05 21:00:17 Russell_C: Take a board about 6" by 1 foot

09/14/05 21:00:18 tonyc: Howdy all

09/14/05 21:00:48 tropicalwave: k, got the board

09/14/05 21:00:52 Russell_C: Stain the rough side of it with Warm Honey gold and then wrote the SQ Foot and the bid

along with your name and number on the back

09/14/05 21:01:02 Russell_C: leave it with your bid

09/14/05 21:01:26 Russell_C: they will loose the rest of the bids and carry yours around till they call you

09/14/05 21:01:53 tonyc: that's funny Russ

09/14/05 21:02:05 Russell_C: It works!

09/14/05 21:02:09 tropicalwave: just like a fence picket or something?

09/14/05 21:02:15 DonPhelps Logs Out

09/14/05 21:02:17 Russell_C: Right

09/14/05 21:02:25 Russell_C: Buy them at HD

09/14/05 21:02:34 Russell_C: cut them into 1 foot legnth

09/14/05 21:02:35 tonyc: a nice 5/4 cedar board would look sweet

09/14/05 21:02:42 Russell_C: Exactly

09/14/05 21:03:00 Russell_C: make it long enough for them to set down on the floor and step back from

09/14/05 21:03:20 tropicalwave: need to do all the prep on it....clean, ox, etc?

09/14/05 21:03:28 Russell_C: or place on the hand rail and set their coffee on

09/14/05 21:03:36 Russell_C: Well, you want it to look good!

09/14/05 21:03:46 Russell_C: if it is clean when you buy it just stain it

09/14/05 21:04:01 tropicalwave: yea, ive done it with some boards before....

09/14/05 21:04:07 Russell_C: you want it to make them "feel" good about your bid

09/14/05 21:04:19 Russell_C: Black marker on the back

09/14/05 21:04:29 Russell_C: sq feet your name phone and bid

09/14/05 21:04:37 Russell_C: And bid it high

09/14/05 21:04:38 tonyc: wouldn't it be better to leave them a sample of the actual color you proposed?

09/14/05 21:05:03 Russell_C: If you only sell one color it is easy

09/14/05 21:05:21 Russell_C: if they see it and say, I like it more red, add a bit of red

09/14/05 21:07:35 tonyc: Russ....do you still have a recipe to match TWP cedar tone?

09/14/05 21:07:50 tropicalwave: what else you got?

09/14/05 21:08:37 Russell_C: yes

09/14/05 21:08:42 tonyc: the orangey color is my biggest seller

09/14/05 21:08:43 Russell_C: it is very easy

09/14/05 21:08:56 Russell_C: that is our base color

09/14/05 21:09:03 Russell_C: Warm Honey Gold

09/14/05 21:09:28 tonyc: plus a little red?

09/14/05 21:09:55 Russell_C: no

09/14/05 21:10:35 Russell_C: it look almost identical when you put it on wet cedar

09/14/05 21:11:06 tonyc: because of the natural red in the cedar?

09/14/05 21:11:26 Russell_C: yes

09/14/05 21:11:44 tonyc: what about pt?

09/14/05 21:12:04 tonyc: i need to cover the ugly green

09/14/05 21:12:34 tropicalwave: russ, you talk to a lot of contractors, right? Ive got a question about "what

others do"?

09/14/05 21:12:47 Russell_C: hold one sec please

09/14/05 21:12:55 tonyc: hey mike!

09/14/05 21:13:06 tropicalwave: yo

09/14/05 21:14:24 tonyc: too bad this ain't an audio chat

09/14/05 21:14:35 Russell_C: ok sorry

09/14/05 21:14:43 Russell_C: had a customer call

09/14/05 21:15:07 Russell_C: To cover green you would use WHG with 3 squirts of black

09/14/05 21:15:17 Russell_C: Ok what is the question about others?

09/14/05 21:16:41 tropicalwave: do most that you know of, measure every sq inch of wood and converting to sq ft

then a price, or just the floor, some xtra for steps and add more per sq because of rails etc....

09/14/05 21:17:07 Russell_C: There are many many different ways

09/14/05 21:17:14 Russell_C: let me ask you something

09/14/05 21:17:24 Russell_C: do you use a price per square foot?

09/14/05 21:17:37 Russell_C: I can teach you a speed estimatin metod

09/14/05 21:17:47 tropicalwave: i do....

09/14/05 21:17:52 Russell_C: only takes 3 min to learn

09/14/05 21:17:58 Russell_C: you interested?

09/14/05 21:18:07 tropicalwave: always

09/14/05 21:18:49 Russell_C: ok, for simplicity lets figure every deck is attached to the house on one side and has

hand rails on the other three

09/14/05 21:18:59 tropicalwave: k

09/14/05 21:19:09 Russell_C: this deck is 10 foot by 10 foot

09/14/05 21:19:16 tropicalwave: with u so far

09/14/05 21:19:37 Russell_C: we know we have to clean the hand rail and the banboard that goes around the outside

of the deck

09/14/05 21:20:22 Russell_C: so we measure out from the house 10 (+ 3 for the rail and 1 for the bad board) 14

09/14/05 21:20:48 Russell_C: now across the deck is 10 plus 3 for each rail (6) and 1 for each ban board (2)

09/14/05 21:20:55 tropicalwave: ummmm, ok

09/14/05 21:21:04 Russell_C: the deck area is now 14 by 18

09/14/05 21:21:11 Russell_C: so square footage is

09/14/05 21:21:30 Russell_C: 252

09/14/05 21:21:48 Russell_C: If you would unfold a hand rail it would be a solid wall

09/14/05 21:22:07 Russell_C: 2 inch spindles on a 4 inch center

09/14/05 21:22:23 Russell_C: It is not ultra pecise, but it is fast

09/14/05 21:22:38 Russell_C: ad 15% to be safe and you are in there

09/14/05 21:23:07 Russell_C: Use a measuring wheel (wheel of fortune) to give yourself the pro edege

09/14/05 21:23:29 Russell_C: bid it on the back of a board to give them something to "hold" on to

09/14/05 21:23:49 tropicalwave: im re-reading what you are saying, either im a moron or im tired

09/14/05 21:23:59 Russell_C: Ok

09/14/05 21:24:07 Russell_C: what is your question?

09/14/05 21:24:41 tropicalwave: the rail isnt 1 sq ft wide

09/14/05 21:25:20 tropicalwave: so where does 3 come from

09/14/05 21:25:29 Russell_C: it is 3 feet tall

09/14/05 21:25:38 Russell_C: or 4

09/14/05 21:26:04 Russell_C: you add how ever many feet the rail is from deck to rail

09/14/05 21:26:15 Russell_C: 3 was a bad number

09/14/05 21:26:23 Russell_C: 4 would be better

09/14/05 21:26:48 Russell_C: What is code for rail height there?

09/14/05 21:27:05 tropicalwave: so theres no messing with how many 4x4, spindles, risers, lattice? etc

09/14/05 21:27:17 tropicalwave: 4 i think

09/14/05 21:27:33 tonyc: 42" seems fairly standard

09/14/05 21:27:44 Russell_C: then use 4 feet

09/14/05 21:27:55 tropicalwave: depends where though, chicago proper is weird with the many porch-deck disasters

lately

09/14/05 21:28:16 Russell_C: Well measure lattice by the Sq ft

09/14/05 21:28:31 Russell_C: posts are 2 foot by how ever tall they are

09/14/05 21:28:32 tropicalwave: i do, that was a bad example, my bad

09/14/05 21:29:01 Russell_C: by posts I mean the ones that support elevated decks

09/14/05 21:29:11 tonyc: *whip*

09/14/05 21:30:00 Russell_C: What whip?

09/14/05 21:30:07 tropicalwave: if a rail is 6" wide, just add a sq ft for every 2 feet of rail?

09/14/05 21:30:26 tropicalwave: my bad again....

09/14/05 21:30:36 tonyc: *whip*

09/14/05 21:30:42 tropicalwave: trying to do too many things at the same time

09/14/05 21:30:44 Russell_C: nope if it is exactly 4 foot high add 5 to the width of the deck

09/14/05 21:31:11 Russell_C: if there is a rail on both sides of the deck add 10

09/14/05 21:31:25 tropicalwave: what does the height have to do with it?

09/14/05 21:31:35 tropicalwave: thats wher eim losing ya

09/14/05 21:31:37 Russell_C: Tell you what, call me tomorrow and I can explain it in a jiff!

09/14/05 21:31:49 tropicalwave: im sure you can...lol

09/14/05 21:31:56 Russell_C: Typing is sort of a pin some times

09/14/05 21:32:06 tropicalwave: itll be a lot easier that way

09/14/05 21:32:08 Russell_C: I won't even try to sell you soap!

09/14/05 21:32:28 tonyc: the measurements for rails are find and dandy, but it's an experienced gut instinct that

tells me how to price it

09/14/05 21:32:37 tropicalwave: hey you said your sending me my free stuff for the faq anyway

09/14/05 21:32:55 Russell_C: Did you send me an e-mail with your address?

09/14/05 21:33:32 tropicalwave: nope....actually i did when you were tossing around the samples of the wtw a week

or so ago

09/14/05 21:33:59 Russell_C: ok I will look it up and get your stuff on the way

09/14/05 21:34:09 tropicalwave: ill be working the regular job tomorrow, so im sure ill be bored and ill call you

09/14/05 21:34:19 Russell_C: I will be in all day

09/14/05 21:34:51 tropicalwave: do i need to find your tx in the threads or u wanna toss it out here, ill put it in

my cell now

09/14/05 21:34:54 Russell_C: If anyone tells you I am out, tell them you know better

09/14/05 21:35:03 tropicalwave: lol, i will

09/14/05 21:35:10 tonyc: russ....used the booster the other day on behr acryilc latex....saved my butt

09/14/05 21:35:22 Russell_C: it is 1-866-536-7393

09/14/05 21:35:37 Russell_C: or my cell is 636-288-8512

09/14/05 21:35:44 tropicalwave: putting it in the nextel now...thx

09/14/05 21:35:46 Russell_C: Glad to hear it Tony!

09/14/05 21:35:55 Russell_C: tony do you ever take pictures?

09/14/05 21:36:05 tonyc: most of the time

09/14/05 21:36:16 Russell_C: Post them up on TGS

09/14/05 21:36:39 tonyc: I despise behr for making such a product

09/14/05 21:36:56 Russell_C: I used to feel the same about CWF UV

09/14/05 21:37:36 tonyc: we need a grassroots effort to vanquish the acrylic stuff

09/14/05 21:37:41 Russell_C: Well, I need to make something to eat and get to bed

09/14/05 21:37:54 Russell_C: Nah, I wouldn't sell any more boost!

09/14/05 21:38:15 Russell_C: Actually I would be with you

09/14/05 21:38:29 tonyc: something to think about

09/14/05 21:38:44 Russell_C: Could we picket them and everything?

09/14/05 21:38:48 tropicalwave: got the numbers programed...talk to u tomorrow...ill have note pad ready

09/14/05 21:38:58 Russell_C: Sounds great

09/14/05 21:39:06 Russell_C: thank you guys for coming tonight

09/14/05 21:39:11 tropicalwave: see ya tony, se ya russ

09/14/05 21:39:18 tonyc: gnite!

09/14/05 21:39:18 Russell_C: Bye all

09/14/05 21:39:24 tropicalwave Logs Out

09/14/05 21:39:30 Russell_C: Oh hey tony

09/14/05 21:39:35 Russell_C: guess what?

09/14/05 21:39:37 tonyc: what

09/14/05 21:39:40 Russell_C Logs Out

09/14/05 21:40:14 tonyc Logs Out