Wood Chat Transcript - 10/13/05

[Beth n Rod]

10/12/05 20:24:29 Beth_n_Rod: Hi Rich
10/12/05 20:24:42 Littlefield: Hey, How are things up north?
10/12/05 20:24:50 Beth_n_Rod: Wet.
10/12/05 20:25:14 Littlefield: I have a tarp over my truck tonight to keep my cob from getting wet here, too.
10/12/05 20:25:15 Beth_n_Rod: Russ will be here in a few...
10/12/05 20:25:26 Littlefield: Fine, just doing checkbook...
10/12/05 20:26:08 Russell_Cissell Logs in [172.162.205.126]
10/12/05 20:26:09 Beth_n_Rod queries IP of Russell_Cissell
10/12/05 20:26:09 Beth_n_Rod: Blasting g a house?
10/12/05 20:26:17 Littlefield: I like the new version of the board. Finally got my new avatar up with no problem.
10/12/05 20:26:17 Littlefield queries IP of Russell_Cissell
10/12/05 20:26:29 Beth_n_Rod: I noticed. Looks good!
10/12/05 20:26:31 Littlefield: Blasting an interior.
10/12/05 20:26:32 Russell_Cissell: Hello Rich
10/12/05 20:26:49 Russell_Cissell: Sorry I was not here, I didn't think this module was working
10/12/05 20:26:52 Littlefield: thanks on the business card avatar compliment. What a mouthful.
10/12/05 20:27:04 Littlefield: I Russell.
10/12/05 20:27:10 Littlefield: Sorry, HI
10/12/05 20:27:12 tropical_wave Logs in [24.13.142.208]
10/12/05 20:27:13 Beth_n_Rod queries IP of tropical_wave
10/12/05 20:27:13 Littlefield queries IP of tropical_wave
10/12/05 20:27:16 Russell_Cissell: Beth, I didn't have to log in either
10/12/05 20:27:21 Russell_Cissell: Welcome Mike
10/12/05 20:27:33 Beth_n_Rod: Neither did I. I like this upgraded module.
10/12/05 20:27:37 Russell_Cissell: I just went to the log in page and it threw me right in
10/12/05 20:27:43 Beth_n_Rod: Hi Mike
10/12/05 20:27:53 Russell_Cissell: Still no spell check!
10/12/05 20:27:58 Beth_n_Rod: Hey Rich, we have a log estimate this weekend.
10/12/05 20:28:42 Russell_Cissell: Rich, when are you going to teach me about cob blasting?
10/12/05 20:28:50 Littlefield: Cool. Is this beth or rod or both?
10/12/05 20:29:13 Beth_n_Rod: Beth. Rod's in the forums right now.
10/12/05 20:29:29 Littlefield: Russell, when you come down and work for free for a week or two. :D
10/12/05 20:29:53 Russell_Cissell: No problem!
10/12/05 20:30:14 Beth_n_Rod: Hey Rich, we want to learn cob blasting sometime!
10/12/05 20:30:20 Russell_Cissell: I work for free here is St. Louis everyday!
10/12/05 20:30:29 Russell_Cissell: Or at least close to it at times
10/12/05 20:31:07 Russell_Cissell: Sometimes those help wanted ads at McDonald's look pretty good!
10/12/05 20:31:16 Littlefield: Don't we all. I really wish after a week like the one I've been having, that I could
just blast and do nothing else.
10/12/05 20:31:40 Beth_n_Rod: That doesn't sound good...
10/12/05 20:31:48 Littlefield: Got suckered into new construction work again, and the big thing is I know better.
10/12/05 20:32:14 Littlefield: Its more me kicking me than them kicking me. :)
10/12/05 20:32:21 Russell_Cissell: Last week I broke my big 3 rules all with the same person!
10/12/05 20:32:21 Beth_n_Rod: There are things about logs that intimidate me. Like repair. I will send them to you
and Jon.
10/12/05 20:32:55 Beth_n_Rod: Why are you kicking you? Own worst critic?
10/12/05 20:33:33 Russell_Cissell: Sold to a Homeowner who was also a Friend and did it at a Discount! I didn't
even know you could put 4.5 gallons of stain on a 10 by 12 deck!
10/12/05 20:33:46 Littlefield: I fall for the "you're a great guy, do this one and the next ones will be better
organized" song and dance EVERY time.
10/12/05 20:34:11 Littlefield: Russ, I feel better now. "No good deed goes unpunished"
10/12/05 20:34:18 Beth_n_Rod: ahhh...working with a builder it sounds like.
10/12/05 20:34:22 Russell_Cissell: That is the worst!. . .Show us your work on this one and we will give you the
whole complex!
10/12/05 20:34:32 Russell_Cissell: Exactly!
10/12/05 20:34:45 Beth_n_Rod: Chase that carrot!
10/12/05 20:35:14 Littlefield: Problem is they do love me...I've got a contract for 6 houses in and out. New
construction manager, hes in training at the school of RICH.
10/12/05 20:35:49 Beth_n_Rod: lol an excellent school too I might add!
10/12/05 20:36:02 Beth_n_Rod: Littlefield University!
10/12/05 20:36:03 Littlefield: But the one day of blasting tomorrow will even me up for the week.
10/12/05 20:36:15 Russell_Cissell: Well tell him to make your check out to the C.enter for A.rt S.cience and
H.umanity
10/12/05 20:36:23 Littlefield: Thats it, I'm starting a new business, my wife will KILL me.
10/12/05 20:37:06 Beth_n_Rod: Hey Rich what are you putting on interior logs?
10/12/05 20:37:24 Russell_Cissell: A painter I work with always tells me to make his checks out that way.
10/12/05 20:38:09 Littlefield: Good one Russell.
10/12/05 20:38:14 tropical_wave Logs Out
10/12/05 20:38:40 Russell_Cissell: Yeah, painters!
10/12/05 20:38:41 Littlefield: Beth, You'll kill me when you hear this, but the model has it and everybody seems to
want the exact same thing.
10/12/05 20:38:57 Littlefield: Keep this under your hat....
10/12/05 20:39:00 Beth_n_Rod: drum roll.....
10/12/05 20:39:32 Mike_Williamson Logs in [68.214.111.171]
10/12/05 20:39:33 Beth_n_Rod queries IP of Mike_Williamson
10/12/05 20:39:33 Littlefield: ********
10/12/05 20:39:33 Littlefield queries IP of Mike_Williamson
10/12/05 20:39:40 Russell_Cissell: Welcome Mike
10/12/05 20:39:41 Littlefield: And don't breathe.
10/12/05 20:39:52 tropical_wave Logs in [24.13.142.208]
10/12/05 20:39:52 Beth_n_Rod queries IP of tropical_wave
10/12/05 20:39:52 Littlefield queries IP of tropical_wave
10/12/05 20:39:52 Mike_Williamson: Evening!
10/12/05 20:40:03 Beth_n_Rod: seriously?
10/12/05 20:40:06 tropical_wave Logs Out
10/12/05 20:40:09 Russell_Cissell: Welcome back Mike
10/12/05 20:40:11 Littlefield: Interior only though. I don't want anybody getting any crazy ideas.
10/12/05 20:40:19 Littlefield: Yup.
10/12/05 20:40:20 Beth_n_Rod: gotcha
10/12/05 20:40:22 Littlefield: Seriously
10/12/05 20:40:34 Littlefield: No brushing.
10/12/05 20:40:40 Littlefield: Natural finish.
10/12/05 20:40:43 Littlefield: No sheen
10/12/05 20:40:55 Beth_n_Rod: I have heard of folks wanting minwax, and see it on the logs, never applied it
tho....
10/12/05 20:40:56 Littlefield: Exactly what every one asks for around here.
10/12/05 20:41:13 Russell_Cissell: Rich, how long would you expect that to last indoors?
10/12/05 20:41:14 Littlefield: Mixing makes it like a toner, instead of stain.
10/12/05 20:41:20 Littlefield: Forever.
10/12/05 20:41:30 Beth_n_Rod: Gotcha. makes sense.
10/12/05 20:41:56 Littlefield: Sorry Russell sound smart like that.
10/12/05 20:42:01 Russell_Cissell: Do you poly over it?
10/12/05 20:42:06 Russell_Cissell: No, not at all
10/12/05 20:42:15 Littlefield: IN reality, I suppose the wood will darker as usual.
10/12/05 20:42:44 Littlefield: The golden oak is a very light pigment, but should stabilize a lot better than
nothing
10/12/05 20:42:51 Beth_n_Rod: See? now THIS is a cool wood chat.
10/12/05 20:42:53 Russell_Cissell: Right
10/12/05 20:42:56 Littlefield: No poly
10/12/05 20:43:17 Russell_Cissell: Will it "wear" off like in the kitchen or near doors?
10/12/05 20:43:26 Littlefield: An you can sand a spot, slop the mix on and around, and no lapping.
10/12/05 20:43:34 Russell_Cissell: Sweet
10/12/05 20:43:34 Beth_n_Rod: Saw the inside of one once, what a mess. Polyurethane disaster.
10/12/05 20:43:44 Beth_n_Rod: oops polyurethane
10/12/05 20:43:45 Russell_Cissell: that negates the rest of my questions
10/12/05 20:44:01 Littlefield: Russell, I did see fingerprints on the doors
10/12/05 20:44:08 Littlefield: I haven'
10/12/05 20:44:11 Littlefield: t
10/12/05 20:44:42 Beth_n_Rod: It was on a house that was a horrible insect disaster.
10/12/05 20:44:43 Littlefield: Sorry, I haven't tried cleaning a spot yet, this is what the builder has been using,
so I'm new to it as well.
10/12/05 20:45:04 Littlefield: Poly and lacquer can really be screwed up good.
10/12/05 20:45:11 Russell_Cissell: Rich, that is interesting stuff
10/12/05 20:45:14 Littlefield: I like water based poly, usually.
10/12/05 20:45:46 Littlefield: What I really want to look into, is if I can coat this tint mix with water based
poly to finish it off better.
10/12/05 20:46:21 Russell_Cissell: We have been doing some lab work with different water based systems. I am having
a hard time falling in love with them, for stain.
10/12/05 20:46:34 Russell_Cissell: Yikes!
10/12/05 20:46:53 Russell_Cissell: I am going to guess no, and let me tell you why.
10/12/05 20:47:30 Littlefield: I'm listening, something about wax...?
10/12/05 20:47:50 Russell_Cissell: With what you have on there already, the water based system is going to want to
break up. Like painting plastic.
10/12/05 20:48:11 Littlefield: By the way, I'm really starting to agree with you on the water based stain thing.
10/12/05 20:48:24 Littlefield: So fish eyes on the surface, huh?
10/12/05 20:48:35 Russell_Cissell: Exactly, that would be my prediction
10/12/05 20:49:56 Littlefield: So, enough about me, whats new with you guys?
10/12/05 20:50:05 Littlefield: Beth, whats on the log home?
10/12/05 20:50:24 Littlefield: *bleep*
10/12/05 20:50:33 Beth_n_Rod: Which one? lol the one this weekend I don't know yet
10/12/05 20:50:38 Littlefield: I love this thing.
10/12/05 20:50:52 Littlefield: Like ringing a doorbell a thousand miles away.
10/12/05 20:50:57 Beth_n_Rod: The one with all the insect damage, the sale fell through for the buyer.
10/12/05 20:51:02 Littlefield: AH.
10/12/05 20:51:13 Mike_Williamson: *bird* *choochoo* *harp* *evil*
10/12/05 20:51:16 Beth_n_Rod: Serious log issues
10/12/05 20:51:22 Russell_Cissell: I have one I wouldn't mind talking about
10/12/05 20:51:29 Beth_n_Rod: Don't think we wanted that job...
10/12/05 20:51:36 Littlefield: How did that interior job work out for Rod?
10/12/05 20:51:44 Littlefield: Go ahead, Russ.
10/12/05 20:51:52 Beth_n_Rod: Waiting to get the contract back. I'm sure it will be fine.
10/12/05 20:52:14 Russell_Cissell: Just haired the nicest gal in the world. Her and her husband retired out to
"gods country"
10/12/05 20:52:18 Beth_n_Rod: Owner is gonna have us roll up the wall to wall rug while we are at it...
10/12/05 20:52:24 Russell_Cissell: built a nice log cabin
10/12/05 20:52:47 Littlefield: Yeeessss?
10/12/05 20:52:50 Russell_Cissell: The sub who was contracted to stain it did not wash first
10/12/05 20:52:55 Russell_Cissell: stained with TWP
10/12/05 20:53:07 Littlefield: ;)
10/12/05 20:53:09 Russell_Cissell: if instantly was over come with mildew
10/12/05 20:53:19 Russell_Cissell: sorry, it was instantly. . . .
10/12/05 20:53:34 Russell_Cissell: That is nothing surprising
10/12/05 20:53:48 Russell_Cissell: when I went to inspect the job I found something new to me.
10/12/05 20:53:58 Russell_Cissell: White mushrooms growing out of the logs
10/12/05 20:54:10 Littlefield: Amazing how many builders think cleaning is an option.
10/12/05 20:54:13 Russell_Cissell: healthy looking white mushrooms
10/12/05 20:54:18 Littlefield: Mushrooms?!
10/12/05 20:54:19 shaner Logs in [66.210.117.240]
10/12/05 20:54:20 Littlefield queries IP of shaner
10/12/05 20:54:27 Russell_Cissell: Forgive my typing this evening
10/12/05 20:54:43 Russell_Cissell: Rich, have you ever seen these white mushrooms?
10/12/05 20:54:44 Littlefield: Big time rot there? Did you check with moisture meter?
10/12/05 20:54:51 Littlefield: No.
10/12/05 20:55:01 shaner Logs Out
10/12/05 20:55:18 Russell_Cissell: I don't put much faith in moisture meters, but the wood was sealed when damp
10/12/05 20:56:14 Littlefield: I'm just wondering if the state Ag dept at the college can identify the mushroom and
tell you the moisture requirements for growth, you'll know if you're looking at a rot problem.
10/12/05 20:56:20 Russell_Cissell: Most of the inside of the home has mold and mildew before the painter came to
seal the interior
10/12/05 20:56:25 Littlefield: Or just stick a screwdriver in the log.
10/12/05 20:56:32 Russell_Cissell: Right!
10/12/05 20:56:40 Littlefield: Did he seal that too?
10/12/05 20:57:02 Littlefield: Do they need it blasted off and sanded down? Cause I know a guy...
10/12/05 20:57:07 Beth_n_Rod: Catch you guys later. Rich, great talking with you again. Keep in touch.
10/12/05 20:57:12 Beth_n_Rod Logs Out
10/12/05 20:57:14 Russell_Cissell: No, the "kit" supplier suggested they hit it with bleach first
10/12/05 20:57:16 Littlefield: See you Beth
10/12/05 20:57:23 Littlefield: Figures.
10/12/05 20:57:55 Russell_Cissell: The poor lady is in a law suit with the builder, finish contractor and the kit
supplier
10/12/05 20:58:02 Littlefield: Seems like that is assumed to be due diligence for all the stain manufacturers, log
home builders, kit suppliers, etc.
10/12/05 20:58:21 Russell_Cissell: it is a big old point fest
10/12/05 20:58:23 Littlefield: I'm available for expert witness testimony....
10/12/05 20:58:25 Russell_Cissell: What is that Rich?
10/12/05 20:58:46 Russell_Cissell: Well, unfortunately so am I. That is how I met her in the first place.
10/12/05 20:59:38 Littlefield: Basically that they think nothing will stand up in court against them if they have
recommended that bleach be applied.
10/12/05 21:00:07 Aplus Logs in [68.42.235.8]
10/12/05 21:00:07 Littlefield queries IP of Aplus
10/12/05 21:00:14 Russell_Cissell: Oh, is that the trick?
10/12/05 21:00:20 Aplus Logs Out
10/12/05 21:00:23 Russell_Cissell: Welcome Tony
10/12/05 21:00:25 Littlefield: Either you then used it wrongly, because there is a problem, or didn't follow the
directions and use it at all.
10/12/05 21:00:28 Russell_Cissell: Bye Tony
10/12/05 21:00:49 Aplus Logs in [68.42.235.8]
10/12/05 21:00:49 Littlefield queries IP of Aplus
10/12/05 21:00:52 Aplus Logs Out
10/12/05 21:00:55 Russell_Cissell: I know the contractor sealed over mildew
10/12/05 21:01:07 Littlefield: Obviously the surfaced prep is bad. I agree.
10/12/05 21:01:37 Russell_Cissell: It could also be the kit supplier. I don't know if the logs were too wet to
start with.
10/12/05 21:01:57 Littlefield: Other than observation, how would you prove that the mildew is on top of or below
the stain?
10/12/05 21:02:06 Russell_Cissell: Obviously the finish contractor blew it on prep too.
10/12/05 21:02:31 Littlefield: Still, if the logs were wet, the applicator should have checked the moisture
content.
10/12/05 21:02:39 Russell_Cissell: Would be hard to "prove" but I know it from exp. I know how mildew grows when it
is "sealed" in
10/12/05 21:02:52 Russell_Cissell: Fast and dark
10/12/05 21:03:01 Russell_Cissell: True
10/12/05 21:03:04 Littlefield: Like crazy, huh? got a lot of that under Sikkens here.
10/12/05 21:03:48 Littlefield: Mike, chip in here any time, don't mean to exclude you. *choochoo*
10/12/05 21:04:02 Russell_Cissell: Not that the stain will ever last 30 years, but there is enough to kill a bit of
mildew
10/12/05 21:04:31 Littlefield: Any truth to the idea that you can only put so much in a stain or paint and ship
across state lines?
10/12/05 21:04:31 Russell_Cissell: Yeah, don't mean to be rude!
10/12/05 21:04:49 Russell_Cissell: Depends on What you are talking about
10/12/05 21:05:09 Littlefield: Is that why most try to upsell the mildewcide additive, or are they just trying to
make a buck on something they should have put in?
10/12/05 21:05:13 Russell_Cissell: if you mean anti-fungal, I have never heard of that. Sounds like paint store law
to me
10/12/05 21:05:41 Russell_Cissell: It is so expensive.
10/12/05 21:05:58 Littlefield: No. I think mildewcide only, like M-1.
10/12/05 21:06:03 Littlefield: Gotcha.
10/12/05 21:06:47 Littlefield: And how long will a mildewcide last? Does it depend on the moisture than comes in
contact with the product its in?
10/12/05 21:07:12 Littlefield: Like micro encapsulated pesticides?
10/12/05 21:07:20 Littlefield: I've heard a lot of things...
10/12/05 21:07:43 Russell_Cissell: You put in a % based on how long you want the protection
10/12/05 21:07:56 Littlefield: Did you get to read my post on the tinting vs. packaging thing with the wtw?
10/12/05 21:08:07 Littlefield: Ah.
10/12/05 21:08:08 Russell_Cissell: I would say moisture moving in and out of the system would speed up the
dissipation of the protection.
10/12/05 21:08:19 Russell_Cissell: No, not yet
10/12/05 21:08:38 Russell_Cissell: I think we will go with both options next year
10/12/05 21:08:49 Littlefield: See which works?
10/12/05 21:08:59 Russell_Cissell: But hey!, lets not talk about our stuff tonight!
10/12/05 21:09:04 Aplus Logs in [68.42.235.8]
10/12/05 21:09:04 Littlefield queries IP of Aplus
10/12/05 21:09:16 Littlefield: I'm thinking you could get a cool thread or two on the swapping formulas thing in
the future.
10/12/05 21:09:26 Littlefield: Hey tony
10/12/05 21:09:27 Aplus Logs Out
10/12/05 21:09:34 Russell_Cissell: How is that/
10/12/05 21:09:43 Russell_Cissell: Aghhh, I am doing it again
10/12/05 21:09:48 Littlefield: Must be getting kicked out with his software or something
10/12/05 21:10:11 Aplus Logs in [68.42.235.8]
10/12/05 21:10:11 Littlefield queries IP of Aplus
10/12/05 21:10:13 Aplus Logs Out
10/12/05 21:10:25 Littlefield: Do you have two or three colors that get added to make the final colors?
10/12/05 21:10:39 Littlefield: Like red, brown, yellow?
10/12/05 21:10:50 Russell_Cissell: No, just red and black in the tint system
10/12/05 21:11:01 Littlefield: OK, so yellow is the base?
10/12/05 21:11:06 Russell_Cissell: black is added at 0.1%
10/12/05 21:11:12 Russell_Cissell: Right, yellow is the base
10/12/05 21:11:20 Russell_Cissell: yellow is at 10%
10/12/05 21:11:34 Littlefield: Do you have formulas do create several different colors?
10/12/05 21:11:42 Russell_Cissell: red you can add till your heart is content
10/12/05 21:11:45 Littlefield: To create
10/12/05 21:11:51 Russell_Cissell: Well, yes and no
10/12/05 21:12:04 Russell_Cissell: I will tell you on paper, but will never give you a picture of the color
10/12/05 21:12:19 Littlefield: Are the formulas for the old colors already on paper?
10/12/05 21:12:29 Russell_Cissell: If I give you a picture, you will show your customer and then they will expect
the final result to match that picture.
10/12/05 21:12:36 Russell_Cissell: sure
10/12/05 21:12:38 Littlefield: Gotcha
10/12/05 21:13:01 Russell_Cissell: Brown sugar is Warm Honey gold plus 0.01% black
10/12/05 21:13:20 Russell_Cissell: Western cedar is WHG + 1/2 pint red
10/12/05 21:13:29 Littlefield: So, you create something that spans several popular shades, and the contractor has
to pick which one to sample for the customer.
10/12/05 21:13:43 Russell_Cissell: I think that is nuts!
10/12/05 21:13:58 Littlefield: Obviously expectation management is the key.
10/12/05 21:14:02 Littlefield: Nuts?
10/12/05 21:14:27 Russell_Cissell: I tell the customer that they hire me because I am the professional. I ask them
if they like natural or something a bit more red? Then I apply what I think they want.
10/12/05 21:14:45 Littlefield: No, no.
10/12/05 21:15:03 Russell_Cissell: For years I was TWP 101 or call someone else
10/12/05 21:15:32 Russell_Cissell: If you threatened to beat me I would apply 102 but that was it
10/12/05 21:15:55 Littlefield: Really?
10/12/05 21:16:08 Russell_Cissell: When I let a customer pick a color they expect it to match. I guess my way is
taking expectation management to the max
10/12/05 21:16:28 Russell_Cissell: Yea, in St Louis there is more wood than workers.
10/12/05 21:16:54 Russell_Cissell: It's not like you have to fight for the work
10/12/05 21:16:59 Littlefield: I agree, give them three choices at the most. Something like brown, something like
red, or something like natural.
10/12/05 21:17:22 Russell_Cissell: OK, that works!
10/12/05 21:17:31 Littlefield: I don't give a tone of choices, either.
10/12/05 21:17:40 Russell_Cissell: so with that, you can not mix a color "wrong"
10/12/05 21:17:46 Littlefield: Sorry, ton of choices.
10/12/05 21:18:19 Littlefield: You got it, no wrong mixes, just different than what they might have exactly
envisioned.
10/12/05 21:18:57 Littlefield: I'm mostly with pine and PT here, no cedar to speak of. What color would you
recommend?
10/12/05 21:19:11 Russell_Cissell: Not Warm Honey Gold!
10/12/05 21:19:22 Russell_Cissell: Base plus 0.1% black
10/12/05 21:19:24 Littlefield: What, no pumpkin houses for me?
10/12/05 21:19:35 Littlefield: How much does the tint cost?
10/12/05 21:19:49 Russell_Cissell: The black makes it finish more cedar colored on yellow or white wood
10/12/05 21:19:57 Russell_Cissell: $19.95 per pint
10/12/05 21:20:02 Littlefield: What happens if I go to 0.2% black?
10/12/05 21:20:17 Russell_Cissell: Green
10/12/05 21:20:37 Littlefield: And how many oz is .1% in a fiver?
10/12/05 21:20:37 Russell_Cissell: 1 pint of black will last you forever
10/12/05 21:20:45 Littlefield: Yikes on the green.
10/12/05 21:20:59 Russell_Cissell: it is 45 ml
10/12/05 21:21:12 Littlefield: Is it set up with a syringe or something?
10/12/05 21:21:20 Russell_Cissell: I supply lab pippets so it is exactly 3 squirts per gallon
10/12/05 21:21:27 Littlefield: Cool.
10/12/05 21:21:44 Littlefield: And the red added makes it look like what, redwood?
10/12/05 21:21:47 Russell_Cissell: The red is like up to 1/2 pint per 5er
10/12/05 21:22:08 Littlefield: What does black and red get you?
10/12/05 21:22:18 Russell_Cissell: At 1/2 pint per 5 er it is that western cedar color we used to sling
10/12/05 21:22:27 Russell_Cissell: A nice rich brown
10/12/05 21:22:56 Littlefield: Just for curiosity sakes, wondering exactly how badly a helper or something could
screw up the house....:)
10/12/05 21:23:05 Littlefield: Browns not bad, though.
10/12/05 21:23:13 Russell_Cissell: Oh, they could total it!
10/12/05 21:23:21 Littlefield: So if you get crazy with the black, just add red...
10/12/05 21:23:28 Russell_Cissell: We are talking burn it down and start all over!
10/12/05 21:23:36 Russell_Cissell: Pretty much yes
10/12/05 21:23:40 Littlefield: Not that I would ever let them see me mix up.
10/12/05 21:23:59 Russell_Cissell: Black is much more sensitive, that is why we have the lab pipettes
10/12/05 21:24:16 Littlefield: I'd have to talk in mysterious tones about going to the lab again to get the color
"just right".
10/12/05 21:24:31 Russell_Cissell: If you go a squirt or two over the 3 squirt limit you will not destroy anything
10/12/05 21:24:35 Littlefield: *evil*
10/12/05 21:24:43 Russell_Cissell: Oh yeah
10/12/05 21:24:47 Mike_Williamson Logs Out
10/12/05 21:24:58 Russell_Cissell: Good night Mike
10/12/05 21:25:30 Aplus Logs in [68.42.235.8]
10/12/05 21:25:30 Littlefield queries IP of Aplus
10/12/05 21:25:35 Aplus Logs Out
10/12/05 21:25:38 Littlefield: I guess its getting late, I'm going to call Sunbrite in the morning to see about
some of the WTW I want to try on a couple houses coming up.
10/12/05 21:25:57 Littlefield: Use the DMC if its old and dry, right?
10/12/05 21:25:58 Russell_Cissell: Good, that will make Pete happy
10/12/05 21:26:02 Littlefield: Do I tint that?
10/12/05 21:26:13 Russell_Cissell: You could tint it
10/12/05 21:26:19 Littlefield: Pete's always happy. ;)
10/12/05 21:26:19 Russell_Cissell: DMC is overkill
10/12/05 21:26:29 Littlefield: Overkill?
10/12/05 21:26:36 Russell_Cissell: unless the wood is on it's last leg
10/12/05 21:26:42 Littlefield: Ah
10/12/05 21:26:52 Littlefield: WTW is deep enough, huh?
10/12/05 21:27:06 Aplus Logs in [68.42.235.8]
10/12/05 21:27:06 Littlefield queries IP of Aplus
10/12/05 21:27:06 Russell_Cissell: It is like a miracle on really neglected cedar siding
10/12/05 21:27:14 Aplus Logs Out
10/12/05 21:27:16 Russell_Cissell: yes, wtw is plenty deep
10/12/05 21:27:41 Littlefield: Is the DMC more to match up with RS?
10/12/05 21:28:02 squirtgun Logs in [68.217.222.47]
10/12/05 21:28:03 Littlefield queries IP of squirtgun
10/12/05 21:28:14 Russell_Cissell: Welcome Squirtgun
10/12/05 21:28:19 squirtgun Logs Out
10/12/05 21:28:24 Russell_Cissell: chat is not working exactly right
10/12/05 21:28:30 Littlefield: Guess not.
10/12/05 21:28:47 Russell_Cissell: I am thinking some of these guys are not able to stay in here
10/12/05 21:29:12 Russell_Cissell: I am thinking I am about to hit it too
10/12/05 21:29:16 Littlefield: Must be something with their software.
10/12/05 21:29:28 Russell_Cissell: They are working through an upgrade
10/12/05 21:29:31 Littlefield: thanks for talking so late, see ya, too.
10/12/05 21:29:47 Littlefield Logs Out
10/12/05 21:29:50 Russell_Cissell: I didn't think it was working at all until Beth called and said you were
sitting in here
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10/12/05 21:30:13 squirtgun Logs in [68.217.222.47]
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10/12/05 21:50:09 Aplus Logs in [68.42.235.8]
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10/12/05 21:50:38 squirtgun Logs in [127.0.0.1]
10/12/05 21:50:38 squirtgun Disconnects
10/12/05 21:51:00 Aplus Logs in [68.42.235.8]
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10/12/05 21:59:20 Don_Phelps Logs in [68.18.25.238]
10/12/05 21:59:20 Aplus queries IP of Don_Phelps
10/12/05 22:00:14 NEWHEIGHTS Logs in [67.165.209.190]
10/12/05 22:00:14 Aplus queries IP of NEWHEIGHTS
10/12/05 22:00:14 Don_Phelps queries IP of NEWHEIGHTS
10/12/05 22:00:23 NEWHEIGHTS Logs Out
10/12/05 22:00:31 NEWHEIGHTS Logs in [67.165.209.190]
10/12/05 22:00:31 Aplus queries IP of NEWHEIGHTS
10/12/05 22:00:31 Don_Phelps queries IP of NEWHEIGHTS
10/12/05 22:01:07 NEWHEIGHTS Logs Out
10/12/05 22:02:02 NEWHEIGHTS Logs in [67.165.209.190]
10/12/05 22:02:02 Aplus queries IP of NEWHEIGHTS
10/12/05 22:02:02 Don_Phelps queries IP of NEWHEIGHTS
10/12/05 22:02:04 NEWHEIGHTS Logs Out
10/12/05 22:03:52 the_GUNN_man Logs in [24.247.252.102]
10/12/05 22:03:52 Aplus queries IP of the_GUNN_man
10/12/05 22:03:52 Don_Phelps queries IP of the_GUNN_man
10/12/05 22:04:04 the_GUNN_man: Hey Tony you there
10/12/05 22:05:26 the_GUNN_man Logs Out
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10/12/05 22:08:50 NEWHEIGHTS Logs in [67.165.209.190]
10/12/05 22:08:50 Aplus queries IP of NEWHEIGHTS
10/12/05 22:09:00 NEWHEIGHTS Logs Out
10/12/05 22:11:41 Don_Phelps Logs in [68.18.25.238]
10/12/05 22:11:41 Aplus queries IP of Don_Phelps
10/12/05 22:11:46 Don_Phelps Logs Out
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10/12/05 23:32:21 Aplus Logs in [68.42.235.8]
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10/12/05 23:50:58 squirtgun Logs in [68.217.222.47]
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