Any input on this machine?

[ogetnom27]

Any input on this unit? Guy has it for sale right near me (actually has two) one still unused. One I looked at (3600psi 4.4 gpm) looks like it was used like 3 or 4 times. Looks just about new. He's asking $900. Don't know too much about Legacy pumps. I'm just doing decks, cedar fences and cedar siding right now. Need to step up from my 3gpm machine
Thanks, Mike


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[Paul Kassander]

That is an impossible rating for a 11 hp machine it would require a 14.4 hp engine to achieve that so I would be wary of that rating it is prob more like 3000 @ 4 gpm. The legacy pumps are OK, they are a GP knockoff. You may be able to do a bit better on the price if it is the 11 hp, especially if it is used.

[Russ Johnson]

The site your link leads to actually specs the machine at 4.4 @2,500.

[acegot]

You would be better off with the Dewalt 3750 or 3800psi 4.0gpm 13 hp Honda direct drive unit or equivilent if you want best prices. Ive got agazillon hrs on mine & still runs great. I pretty much use it for most of my cold water work. Keeps the hours of my 20 hp kohler her is pic.
http://www.toolbarn.com/images/dewalt/dph3800.jpg

[chris francis]

To be truethfull he is better off ordering from Paul or Russ knowing that he is getting better product building friend ship one or both they will give them the right products to clean what he is trying to clean. If I was going to spend money I would buy
www.envirospecnorth.com
Renegade - 2600psi 5.6 GPM # 9808 $1289

Or one Southside Equipment, Inc. Sorry Russ I donnot know your prices belt driven 5.5 PW

[acegot]

To be truethfull he is better off ordering from Paul or Russ knowing that he is getting better product building friend ship one or both they will give them the right products to clean what he is trying to clean. If I was going to spend money I would buy
www.envirospecnorth.com
Renegade - 2600psi 5.6 GPM # 9808 $1289

Or one Southside Equipment, Inc. Sorry Russ I donnot know your prices belt driven 5.5 PW

For a Woody that wood be great.

[chris francis]

Russ or Paul need to ask you guys question I have seen few pressure washers with unloader built right into the head of the pump is that good or bad I am looking to get another 3800psi machine but I have noticed alot companys have those setups were you can not replace the unloader.

[Russ Johnson]

Chris, stay away from the built in unloaders if possible. As with regular unloaders, if the internals get really worn, the housing suffers. An unloader can be replaced fairly cheaply, a manifold can't.

[chris francis]

Chris, stay away from the built in unloaders if possible. As with regular unloaders, if the internals get really worn, the housing suffers. An unloader can be replaced fairly cheaply, a manifold can't.

So you saying the pumps with built in unloader is garbage I was thinking they are not good to work on But thank you Russ cunfirming that for me.
Russ so when I am looking online how can I tell if the pump has built in loader or not it does not say if the unloader built in.

[Russ Johnson]

Now I didn't say they were garbage, just that they're more expensive to fix if that particuar part fails. Most do work quite well and last quite a while, too.

If you're looking at a picture of the pump, there will be no visible means of attachment for the unloader (bolts going through, hanging off a nipple, etc.) if it's built in.

[chris francis]

Thanks Russ

[Jerry]

About unloaders built-in to the pump…
The unloader valve is the control-center …and it takes the biggest “beating” of the entire system…
All the performance is directed through one valve & seat. Especially in pressure-actuated unloader valves, the water flow is forced through a single thoroughfare, at high-velocity. And if they are not adjusted to bypass about 5 to 10% when the gun is open, they “slam-open and shut” every time you actuate the trigger-gun. Visualize that one real good, and you’ll try to avoid triggering the valve as often,
…and that employee that likes to pop the trigger like playing Tommy-Gun, slap his head. Eh?
…unless you’re in California, cuz he’ll sue you. Back to the unloader…
The unloader sets the “spike-pressure” when you let-go of the trigger, not just the working pressure, so
When you set an unloader for MAX-max pressure, you loose the cushioning effect of that 5% bypassing,
allowing the unloader to SLAM open and shut for a living… This is why the pressure-actuated unloaders only last 9 to 18 months. Consider 9 to 18 months the most you can get before rebuilding,
and they only last half as long rebuilt as they did new, because the plunger-slide-surfaces wear out too. So, that “permanently-lubricated” wobble-plate pump means you ask for cheep, you get cheep.
Now that the Mfr’s are building the valve into the heads of the beefier crank-shaft-pumps,
And the 6 to 10 year potential just dropped to 18 months, call that an industrial sin.
Let me be direct… they are an insult on reliability and long-term-low-cost…
We have a “bone yard” of proof at our service center.
With a properly adjusted unloader valve, plumbed to bypass back to your holding tank, or at least a high-volume bypass system to avoid bypass overheat issues, you have a chance at reliability,
and long-term-low-cost.
In all the blog-blurbs I’ve read, I’ve never seen anyone ask “what’s different in” reliable machines.
Hmmm, think about the juxtaposition of the economy, and society’s buying habits…
The “information age has allowed us the option of buying “really really cheep”…
Now that too many things (and people) are broke, “not worth fixing” (like many big businesses),
And half of your competitors have their “heads in their hands” cuz all their “crap is broke”,
you have the biggest opportunity of the past 30 years…
scoop the customers that were lost by people that were NOT reliable,
to invest in longer-term-lower-cost,
hire employees that will actually carry your flag for you and NOT steal from you,
STOP the “self-perpetuating mistakes”, and grow a business “old-school” because it is recession-proof.
Just like reliable equipment, and a good tech.

Jerry McMillen
President, Cleaning System Specialists, Inc.
dba www.PressureWasher.netthe ultimate in reliability
manufacturer ofSirocco Performance Vacuums, VacuBerm,
and… BullDogProIndustrial Pressure washers
call 619-448-8111 e-mail to… info@PressureWasher.net